The Hot Mess Medium Show Ep. 13 - How to know if your loved ones in Spirit are with you [With Special Guest, Laura Walton]
Hey guys - Welcome back to the Hot Mess Medium Show! In this episode Laura & I have an expansive and nourishing conversation all about life after death.
Some of the things we touched on...
-Answering the call to push past barriers & limitations to take yourself out of the box (& how this is a sign of entering "New Earth")
-Laura's personal experiences with navigating grief (suicide & overdose) and how it inspired her path and how she is here to be of service
-What it feels like when your loved ones are near
-We curiously share our takes on the difference between the Spirit and the Soul, what happens after we pass & reincarnation
-How to start paying attention to how different energies feel in your body to enhance your intuition and your connection with your loved ones in Spirit
-How connections with your loved ones are meant to change & evolve over time
-How you get to choose which beliefs feel most supportive & nourishing for you on your grief journey
-An intuitive message from Laura
-& so much more
Enjoy! xo
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Transcript
00:00:02 Medium Natashia Mack
And there we.
00:00:03 Medium Natashia Mack
We are recording. OK, so welcome back, guys, to the hot mess. Medium show. Almost forgot the name of this podcast.
00:00:11 Medium Natashia Mack
Today I have a special guest for you.
00:00:14 Medium Natashia Mack
Uh.
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Laura Walton.
00:00:17 Medium Natashia Mack
My friend and past student. Laura, thank you so much for coming on today.
00:00:22 Medium Natashia Mack
Really excited to see where this conversation goes.
00:00:26 Medium Natashia Mack
We were just.
00:00:29 Medium Natashia Mack
We were just kind of going over what we should be talking about and then she was about to tell a very interesting story. So I stopped her and said, let's go ahead and hit record and just see where, see what happens and where this goes. So.
00:00:42 Medium Natashia Mack
We will get into.
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But first, I would love for if you can introduce yourself.
00:00:47 Medium Natashia Mack
I know that's kind of like a loaded thing.
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I don't.
00:00:50 Medium Natashia Mack
But you my mind goes blank when someone asks me. So who are you?
00:00:54 Medium Natashia Mack
Tell us about you.
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But go for.
00:00:57 Medium Natashia Mack
I would love. Yeah, love if you could share about you.
00:01:00 Laura
Yeah, it is always a hard question to answer.
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Am I?
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How do you summarize that in one or two?
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But but yeah, so I'm trained as a mental health therapist.
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I've been primarily working with grief and death and trauma within my mental health practice, but I've also in the last couple years been been focusing more on shifting out of the mental health realm.
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And focusing more on.
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In various ways, just trying to broaden my my reach and my ability to work with people in different ways through the lens of grief.
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Support through grief.
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In, in a lot of different ways, but not limited to the box of mental health or therapy.
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Specifically.
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OK.
00:01:58 Medium Natashia Mack
I love that.
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I'm so curious, like when you're sharing that a question kind of came to me.
00:02:04 Medium Natashia Mack
Like what sort of sparked that for?
00:02:06 Medium Natashia Mack
What sparked your desire to kind of shift past the mental health realm and more into this area that you're going?
00:02:16 Laura
Yeah. Well, I've I think I've felt sort of.
00:02:20 Laura
Trapped in a box of of no, I won't say mental health, but I'll say more so therapy because it it's.
00:02:27 Medium Natashia Mack
OK.
00:02:30 Laura
It's a licensed profession which is good in a lot of ways, but with that also comes a lot of rules and regulations.
00:02:42 Laura
And structure around what you are quote UN quote supposed to do or not supposed to do.
00:02:50 Laura
And and when you're working as a therapist, often times it's, you know, one-on-one.
00:02:59 Laura
And there's.
00:03:00 Laura
Only so many hours in a day that I, well, there's only so many hours in a day.
00:03:07 Laura
But then there also there's only so many hours in a day where I have the capacity to be working one-on-one. So I have felt that.
00:03:16 Laura
My my abilities.
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And the options I have available to me have been limited through the rules and regulation side and just through the time the timing side and my ability to.
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Work with people has felt like it's gotten limited and in a lot of ways I've sort of outgrown.
00:03:34 Laura
So it's just starting to feel that has been, I think the initial driving for force at least in, in figuring out what other ways are there in which I can still work with.
00:03:48 Laura
Grief within a topic and context that is very personal to me and that I'm very passionate about but not feel so limited.
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In what I can and cannot do.
00:04:00 Medium Natashia Mack
Absolutely. I love this so.
00:04:02 Medium Natashia Mack
What this reminds me of is like this is new earth like this is like where we're going, right?
00:04:10 Medium Natashia Mack
Pushing past those limitations kind of breaking those barriers, taking yourself out of boxes and kind of creating this new way of thinking of doing things.
00:04:22 Medium Natashia Mack
People. And you know when people have that inner driving force to do things like that, like you.
00:04:29 Medium Natashia Mack
It means to me anyways that you are so destined for doing that right for paving that path for these new ways of healing and supporting people and. And it means that it's needed.
00:04:44 Medium Natashia Mack
Like, what's so important? It means that it's.
00:04:46 Medium Natashia Mack
Your work is needed, so I love that you shared that. That's so awesome.
00:04:49 Medium Natashia Mack
And I've been seeing that a lot, specifically with like mental health workers and therapists and, you know, of all kinds starting to tap into their mediumship abilities or their intuitive abilities, or incorporating more healing modalities into their practice.
00:05:08 Medium Natashia Mack
Again, kind of stretching those barriers and things like that.
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That's really, really cool.
00:05:14 Medium Natashia Mack
And then so you had mentioned that you had your own sort of experiences that.
00:05:21 Medium Natashia Mack
Led to this as well.
00:05:24 Medium Natashia Mack
Your own experiences with grief and stuff, so I'd love if you can share a little bit more on that if you feel comfortable with that, of course.
00:05:32 Laura
Yeah. So in my 20s, my world kind of got rocked by death and grief unexpectedly. When I was 21, my dad committed suicide.
00:05:43 Laura
Then when I was 26, my the person who was my.
00:05:47 Laura
Boyfriend Slash best friend in the world died of a drug overdose.
00:05:52 Laura
So both of those things.
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Just kind of shattered the reality of the world that I had known a world in which, you know, death only happens to other people until it happens to you.
00:06:04 Medium Natashia Mack
Of course.
00:06:06 Laura
Absolutely.
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But but really, the reality that I had known and I was so young that there was.
00:06:14 Laura
I was kind of alone in it and then I didn't know many other people, my peers who had experienced those types.
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Of deaths.
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So I found myself just navigating this.
00:06:27 Laura
Where that I was not prepared for and could not find the support to to figure out how to navigate it. So seeing that lacking.
00:06:37 Laura
Was what?
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Was my initial inspiration and motivation to go to grad school become a therapist and start down the path of this work?
00:06:46 Laura
What has continued my interest in this as many years have now gone by is just seeing how.
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Well, actually I might say two things.
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Is just seeing how.
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Still.
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Poorly equipped for death, we.
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Which I always find ironic given the fact that it's gonna happen to all of us.
00:07:09 Laura
Like, why do we avoid this so much?
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How poorly equipped for death we are and how misunderstood?
00:07:19 Laura
Then death in some ways and grief are.
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And then also this fascination with the other side and spirit world and all of that, those two.
00:07:30 Laura
Those two pieces are what I think has kept me involved in this work.
00:07:37 Medium Natashia Mack
I love that and I so hear you and totally agree, even as a medium, like literally.
00:07:46 Medium Natashia Mack
Talking to spirit for a living.
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That could not have prepared me for.
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Dealing with grief and losing someone so close to me.
00:08:00 Medium Natashia Mack
So I can only.
00:08:03 Medium Natashia Mack
I I cannot even imagine just your what you.
00:08:06 Medium Natashia Mack
You would have experienced, you know.
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No.
00:08:11 Medium Natashia Mack
In your first few experiences.
00:08:14 Medium Natashia Mack
With loss in such a traumatic way, you know, and not having those tools and not not having anyone around who can kind of relate to that or or who could offer support, that sort of thing.
00:08:25 Medium Natashia Mack
So I love. I love that.
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And.
00:08:28 Medium Natashia Mack
You were able to kind of take what life had given you and do something with it that you knew like, OK, this is what's missing.
00:08:36 Medium Natashia Mack
Gonna fill in this gap and I'm going to learn and I'm gonna support people.
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In the way that I.
00:08:43 Medium Natashia Mack
Needed support type of thing.
00:08:45 Medium Natashia Mack
So that's really incredible. And thank you for sharing.
00:08:45 Laura
Yeah.
00:08:49 Medium Natashia Mack
You know when you had mentioned that curiosity with, you know, life after death and the other side and and I'm so curious now, 'cause. I love asking anyone who comes on here like if they've if you've had any personal experiences.
00:09:08 Medium Natashia Mack
With the spirit world like, you know, maybe with your past loved ones.
00:09:12 Medium Natashia Mack
I'd love to hear about that.
00:09:14 Laura
Yeah. Yes, I have and that.
00:09:20 Laura
You'll get more in depth in that in a.
00:09:22 Laura
But.
00:09:23 Laura
Of the first ways that I remember kind of coping with the deaths, when I when they happened was trying to trying to figure out where they were.
00:09:33 Laura
I wasn't raised with any religion, so I didn't come into this having any particular belief system about.
00:09:40 Laura
About what happens when we die? And so when that happened when people died, I found myself like, wait, but where are they?
00:09:50 Laura
And just really trying to like wrap my head around figuring this out.
00:09:55 Laura
I read a lot of books I.
00:09:57 Laura
Just spending a lot of time. This was in the early 2000s.
00:10:02 Laura
So we didn't have as many online resources available, but spending a lot of time in Barnes and Noble just standing in the IT must been like the self help or spirituality section or something standing in that section just pouring over books with tears pouring down my face and.
00:10:19 Laura
Trying to.
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Find some answers or some direction somewhere, so through.
00:10:26 Laura
All of the things I read and information I absorbed, I think I kind of just cobbled together my own belief system and understanding of.
00:10:36 Laura
What death was and what happened and where my people were, who had now died.
00:10:43 Laura
So maybe that contributed to a little bit of this, but I do remember prudence.
00:10:50 Laura
Not even prisons like immediately actually actually rewind for a second.
00:10:55 Laura
So.
00:10:56 Laura
So I had AI was much closer to the boyfriend who died than my.
00:10:59 Laura
So we had a better relationship, so that death was harder for me than my dad's death was, and I even remember the day.
00:11:07 Laura
So he wouldn't.
00:11:08 Laura
Die until late, late that night. But the day of his death, when he was still alive, I felt so weird. This I've never before or since. Had anything like this experience happen to me? But I just felt like.
00:11:25 Laura
Something was terribly.
00:11:26 Laura
I felt something was off in my.
00:11:28 Laura
I just felt so weird, but I had no context for it and no words for I didn't know what was going on.
00:11:35 Laura
And of course, at the time there was nothing abnormal.
00:11:37 Laura
About that day.
00:11:40 Laura
But then, in hindsight, when you know the early the next morning, when I learned he died.
00:11:47 Laura
Then I looked at it through a different lens and was like it was there. The way I've come to understand that what it means to me is that there was.
00:11:56 Laura
Some connection there between us and his soul knew that it on some level that it was preparing to leave, and I felt that.
00:12:05 Laura
And I knew something was going on there before it even happened, which is crazy to even.
00:12:11 Laura
Say out loud.
00:12:12 Medium Natashia Mack
I have chills as you're talking about it, that is wild.
00:12:15 Laura
Yeah, yeah.
00:12:18 Laura
So, you know, I hadn't even necessarily thought about that before in this context.
00:12:24 Medium Natashia Mack
But.
00:12:26 Laura
And then immediately after his death, for the immediate days, weeks, months, even following, there were just so many things that happened just as far as electricity, like lights going on and off, phones ringing.
00:12:40 Laura
Was there just all of these things that happened that the way I made sense of that?
00:12:47 Laura
Through what I read and through other stories from other people was him.
00:12:51 Laura
His energy.
00:12:52 Laura
Just trying to communicate in some way, make its presence known and it was allowed for a while.
00:12:59 Laura
It did quiet down.
00:13:02 Laura
Eventually, but that that I think for me, planted the seeds of being able to even consider this, because I if you had told this to me 25 years ago I'd be like you're a crazy person.
00:13:15 Laura
And I would not have even.
00:13:18 Laura
Considered this possibility or considered that I'd be sitting here having this conversation like this wasn't a possibility.
00:13:24 Laura
So I think just experiencing what I experienced laid the groundwork maybe.
00:13:30 Laura
For this being possible in my in my realm of possibility.
00:13:36 Laura
And then I did start to actually be able to feel his presence at certain.
00:13:41 Laura
I remember I was driving once and I just felt I just knew he was in my passenger seat.
00:13:47 Laura
I I could just feel this kind of like tug on my energy over there and I was like, hey, looked over and just said hi to him and it just felt he was just there as crazy as that might sound.
00:14:01 Medium Natashia Mack
Not crazy at all, especially.
00:14:03 Medium Natashia Mack
Look who you're saying this to.
00:14:05
Yeah.
00:14:05 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah. No, that does not surprise me one bit, but I think it's so important to share stuff like that, especially specific examples that people can put themselves in your in, you know, your shoes.
00:14:16 Medium Natashia Mack
It really helps them to.
00:14:21 Medium Natashia Mack
Kind of think back at moments where they had those similar experiences, but then they, you know.
00:14:28 Medium Natashia Mack
Thought that they were crazy or they're just making it up because it feels like.
00:14:31 Medium Natashia Mack
Making it up.
00:14:32 Laura
Yeah.
00:14:32 Medium Natashia Mack
It just feels so natural.
00:14:34 Medium Natashia Mack
Just like how you're saying, like, I just knew, like there's no.
00:14:37 Medium Natashia Mack
To describe.
00:14:38 Medium Natashia Mack
I just knew or you just felt it and it was this weird natural, like. Oh, hi, you're there.
00:14:44 Medium Natashia Mack
I definitely relate to that. When it comes to my grandmother, I this is like.
00:14:50 Medium Natashia Mack
The second big loss that I've experienced, but although this one hit significantly harder than than the loss of my grandfather, I'm talking about my the loss of my grandmother, of course, and.
00:15:06 Medium Natashia Mack
I'm having such similar experiences with her where I just feel her all the time.
00:15:13 Medium Natashia Mack
I hear her talking in my mind. You know, I feel her with me and.
00:15:17
Mm.
00:15:21 Medium Natashia Mack
I I talk to her as if she's right beside me and it feels so natural.
00:15:24 Medium Natashia Mack
But then the human part of me will be, even though I'm a medium.
00:15:42 Medium Natashia Mack
Using her recipe and it was her first Christmas without her and I could feel her with me. And when I was all done.
00:15:49 Medium Natashia Mack
I'm getting emotional when I was all.
00:15:52 Medium Natashia Mack
I heard her say.
00:15:53 Medium Natashia Mack
My mind.
00:15:55 Medium Natashia Mack
Like I'm proud of you, my.
00:15:56 Medium Natashia Mack
Like you did a good job and I started crying and sobbing. And I'm like, did I just make that up or did I really hear her?
00:16:03 Medium Natashia Mack
No, it made me so emotional and I just, you know, the medium in me was like, no, that was her. That was real.
00:16:09 Laura
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kit. Is it OK if I?
00:16:13 Laura
You a question?
00:16:13 Medium Natashia Mack
Oh my.
00:16:14 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah, go for it.
00:16:16 Laura
How do you feel it or is like, what does it feel that feel like to you?
00:16:22 Medium Natashia Mack
That's so.
00:16:23 Medium Natashia Mack
I was literally gonna ask you that.
00:16:25
Question.
00:16:26 Laura
Cordsay work.
00:16:27 Medium Natashia Mack
We're very right now.
00:16:29 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah. What does that feel like?
00:16:33 Medium Natashia Mack
So I think it's different for everyone. But when I feel a spirit in my energy, it's like, so I I'm very in tune with.
00:16:45 Medium Natashia Mack
My energy field right that extension of your spirit that surrounds you. I'm in tune with.
00:16:49 Medium Natashia Mack
Meaning it's very sensitive. I could feel when something crosses it that you can't see with your physical eyes, right?
00:16:56 Medium Natashia Mack
So for me it's like I could feel this slight change of pressure.
00:17:01 Medium Natashia Mack
The just it's so ever slight that this. Yeah, this like pressure change.
00:17:08 Medium Natashia Mack
Temperature change like it's just this.
00:17:12 Medium Natashia Mack
Oh, there's something in my energy field that wasn't there before.
00:17:18 Medium Natashia Mack
And then from there I'm able to use all of my senses to kind of become aware of.
00:17:23 Medium Natashia Mack
Well, what is it?
00:17:25 Medium Natashia Mack
I get curious and and sometimes it's just this inner knowing that drops in like it, just like in my brain that like, oh, like or. This will feel very familiar, right?
00:17:38 Medium Natashia Mack
Like and that's what it sounds like.
00:17:40 Medium Natashia Mack
It chills so.
00:17:41 Medium Natashia Mack
That's what it sounds.
00:17:43 Medium Natashia Mack
Or that's what it sounds like.
00:17:47
That.
00:17:48 Medium Natashia Mack
Why can't I use my words right now?
00:17:50 Medium Natashia Mack
You're too close to me right now.
00:17:53 Medium Natashia Mack
She wasn't good with her words anyways.
00:17:57 Medium Natashia Mack
It sounds like that's what happened when you're, you know, when you felt your boyfriend sitting next to you in the passenger seat.
00:18:04 Medium Natashia Mack
It was just so natural and familiar.
00:18:07 Medium Natashia Mack
Their energy is so familiar it feels like home.
00:18:10 Medium Natashia Mack
Just it feels like.
00:18:12 Medium Natashia Mack
I don't know so.
00:18:15 Laura
Yeah, you know, I had hadn't thought about this in that context before, but that is a good point because it's been so long now.
00:18:21 Laura
Been 18 years since he died, so.
00:18:27 Laura
His energy and death is more familiar to me than his energy in life, but I think that that's, I think what you're saying is at the time, his energy in life was so familiar to me that I knew what that felt like, right?
00:18:40 Laura
Yeah, I think that is a part of it.
00:18:42 Laura
That this.
00:18:43 Laura
Felt familiar then and then.
00:18:45 Laura
Just something that has.
00:18:48 Laura
I forgot that that's what it was like in life, but it still feels familiar, and that's how I know for yeah, that's interesting. And for me, it feels like it's it's interesting, 'cause. It's always to my right.
00:18:51 Medium Natashia Mack
Yes.
00:19:01 Laura
The energy is always to my right.
00:19:04 Laura
Like up a little bit.
00:19:08 Laura
That's it's interesting.
00:19:11 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah, I was gonna say that's so interesting, but also really quick side note, when you were practicing mediumship, were you able to?
00:19:21 Medium Natashia Mack
Was that something that showed up for you when you were when you were practicing on sitters?
00:19:26 Medium Natashia Mack
Were you able?
00:19:28 Medium Natashia Mack
See or or know where the spirit was on like on which side they were on.
00:19:34 Medium Natashia Mack
Know that's such a weird question.
00:19:35 Laura
Yeah, I don't, I don't.
00:19:39 Laura
If it did, I wasn't.
00:19:40 Laura
I wasn't paying close attention to it. 'cause that doesn't stand out to me with other people energy. But maybe I just didn't tune that tune into that enough.
00:19:45 Medium Natashia Mack
Right.
00:19:49 Laura
It could be.
00:19:50 Medium Natashia Mack
OK.
00:19:51 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah. So typically like, let's say, if I'm like, this doesn't happen all the.
00:19:56 Medium Natashia Mack
But sometimes if I see that the loved one kind of standing behind the sitter or like my client, I'll see, like, let's say they'll be on the right side, which to me means the paternal side.
00:20:10 Medium Natashia Mack
Or through the left side.
00:20:11 Medium Natashia Mack
That means maternal and sometimes, if they're up higher, that would mean OK parent or grandparent.
00:20:17 Medium Natashia Mack
Know what I?
00:20:18 Medium Natashia Mack
Like their position sometimes determines.
00:20:22 Medium Natashia Mack
Their position in.
00:20:25 Medium Natashia Mack
In life or, you know, in family, that sort of thing.
00:20:27 Medium Natashia Mack
I thought that was interesting.
00:20:29 Medium Natashia Mack
You mentioning that he's always on your right.
00:20:34 Laura
Well, I know that you know the right.
00:20:37 Laura
Masculine.
00:20:38 Medium Natashia Mack
It's not spelled.
00:20:39 Laura
The symbolic of that.
00:20:40 Laura
So I've thought about in that context before but, but yeah, it's always to the right.
00:20:44 Medium Natashia Mack
Thank you, chair.
00:20:46 Laura
Always like slightly up.
00:20:48 Laura
And it feels like a tugging like a pulling of my attention. Kind of.
00:20:53 Medium Natashia Mack
Ah, OK.
00:20:55 Laura
And then it's just a knowing like what you said like which is hard to try to describe or and it's easy to to doubt.
00:21:05 Medium Natashia Mack
I know.
00:21:07 Laura
But but it's.
00:21:08 Laura
But there is also a different a clear and distinct difference for me.
00:21:13 Laura
In when I just know something to be true, as opposed to when, I'm, like, hopeful that something's true or when I'm fearful that something's true or when I'm trying to control something to be a certain way, like those things I'm super clear on.
00:21:30 Laura
What those things feel like in contrast to what just feels true to me.
00:21:37 Laura
And his presence just feels true to me.
00:21:43 Medium Natashia Mack
OK.
00:21:44 Medium Natashia Mack
I love how you broke that down because as you're saying that I can also picture that.
00:21:49 Medium Natashia Mack
Like what? Those different things feel like for me, and I feel like that's such a good thing.
00:21:57 Medium Natashia Mack
For everyone to get familiar with.
00:22:01 Medium Natashia Mack
Like to kind of and how to do that?
00:22:02 Medium Natashia Mack
Think back at times, right?
00:22:05 Medium Natashia Mack
Think back at times where.
00:22:09 Medium Natashia Mack
You.
00:22:10 Medium Natashia Mack
Kind of connect those dots for yourself and for me, like I feel things in my gut, so I don't know about you, but it's like if something.
00:22:11 Laura
Yeah.
00:22:20 Medium Natashia Mack
Is true I.
00:22:21 Medium Natashia Mack
It feels so solid and grounded in my gut.
00:22:25
It is.
00:22:26 Medium Natashia Mack
And then it's weird. Like if there's.
00:22:30 Medium Natashia Mack
Soon as.
00:22:30 Medium Natashia Mack
Said hopeful. It's like lifted from my.
00:22:34 Medium Natashia Mack
It's so weird how I can kind of gauge it.
00:22:38 Medium Natashia Mack
Like in my body and I know it's so different for everyone, but I think you know.
00:22:40 Laura
Yeah.
00:22:44 Medium Natashia Mack
Like people are gonna listen to this and be like, oh, and maybe be more mindful of it or start noticing it and connecting those dots.
00:22:49 Laura
Yeah.
00:22:51 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah, that was like, really valuable.
00:22:54 Laura
Yeah. Well, I'm glad and I do.
00:22:55 Laura
I personally think that is like, as you said, everybody's different. The way these things translate in our bodies feels different and but I think that that's maybe I could go so far as to say like the first key or the first step.
00:23:10 Laura
In starting to be able to.
00:23:14 Laura
Understand this connection, whatever this connection is for you, you have to know how different things translate into your body in order to be able to.
00:23:26 Laura
To feel that connection with with spirit, but also with anything else.
00:23:33 Medium Natashia Mack
Right. Yeah, with with spirit, but also even just intuitively in your day-to-day life, right?
00:23:39 Laura
Yeah.
00:23:40 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah, super, super important.
00:23:42 Medium Natashia Mack
I love that so much.
00:23:43
Yeah.
00:23:45
OK.
00:23:48 Medium Natashia Mack
So.
00:23:50
Replay.
00:23:50 Medium Natashia Mack
We talked about your experiences with.
00:23:53 Medium Natashia Mack
Oh, well, OK. What I was trying to think like where to go from here, but.
00:23:58 Medium Natashia Mack
Let's go back a little bit to.
00:24:03 Medium Natashia Mack
Grief.
00:24:06 Medium Natashia Mack
And what are some of the ways that you still?
00:24:12 Medium Natashia Mack
Kind of keep that connection going with your loved ones in spirit.
00:24:19 Medium Natashia Mack
Or like.
00:24:20 Medium Natashia Mack
Whether it's personal or like maybe some of the work that you've done with clients, like how?
00:24:26 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah. Anyways, go ahead share.
00:24:32 Medium Natashia Mack
So I'm struggling to formulate the question, but I think I think you know what I'm trying to say.
00:24:37 Laura
Yeah. Yeah, I think so.
00:24:43 Laura
You know, for me at this point.
00:24:46 Laura
My personal experience in.
00:24:47 Laura
It's just, you know, it's been 18 years and like 21 years since the deaths happened. Something like that.
00:24:53 Laura
So it's just.
00:24:56 Laura
Been.
00:24:58 Laura
So long that the that connection and that energy.
00:25:03 Laura
Feel it's it's like it's almost like asking me like, how do you remember to breathe every day?
00:25:10
Right, yeah.
00:25:11 Laura
It's just like a part of what I do, you know, it's a part of my day is just feeling.
00:25:15 Medium Natashia Mack
OK.
00:25:18 Laura
That that connect, although I mean I I wanna be clear.
00:25:22 Laura
I don't always feel that.
00:25:24 Laura
It's not always there and I and it has changed over the years and I think gotten a little quieter and softer over the years, but but.
00:25:33 Laura
It's been enough that it's.
00:25:37 Laura
Laid the groundwork, I think, for just for this, like ongoing knowing and understanding.
00:25:45 Laura
Of that connection being there in some form or another, now and forever.
00:25:53 Laura
So I just like kind of know that to be true for me now.
00:26:01 Laura
Now I'm forgetting what your question was.
00:26:03
OK.
00:26:06
I think it does.
00:26:07 Medium Natashia Mack
I think it does.
00:26:09 Medium Natashia Mack
You know, I like the part where you're mentioning how.
00:26:13 Medium Natashia Mack
Those those connections change and evolve over time, and I feel like that is how it's meant to be and it doesn't mean that you are forgetting about them or they're not as important or you know, whatever it is 'cause I think sometimes people hold on so tight because.
00:26:16 Laura
Yes.
00:26:32 Medium Natashia Mack
So afraid of what it means if they start to let go.
00:26:34 Medium Natashia Mack
And I started to move forward, right.
00:26:37 Laura
Yes.
00:26:37 Medium Natashia Mack
So it's important to know that it is actually OK and it doesn't mean anything bad if that connection does.
00:26:49 Medium Natashia Mack
You know, it's not as present or it's not as.
00:26:53 Medium Natashia Mack
It's not taking up so much space in your energy right over the years.
00:26:57 Laura
Yeah.
00:26:58 Medium Natashia Mack
It's a sign that you are growing and evolving and changing and and healing, which is a very beautiful thing, I think, right?
00:27:06 Laura
Yeah, yeah. You know, I I once did this.
00:27:09 Laura
There was a period of time where I was doing these sessions with a woman who called herself a medical medium, I think.
00:27:18 Laura
It was a very interesting experience, but.
00:27:21 Laura
At this point, I'll say maybe it had been.
00:27:26 Laura
I'm just picking her number, but let's say, like 12 years or thirteen years or something since.
00:27:32 Laura
My boyfriend had died.
00:27:36 Laura
12 years.
00:27:37 Laura
And she said something that what that I had never even considered as being a possibility and the kind of like it literally took my breath away.
00:27:46 Laura
She said that he was preparing.
00:27:50 Laura
To enter into new a new life or something like that, like he had in however many years had passed. Yet 12 years he hadn't yet done that.
00:27:58 Laura
Now he felt ready to do that and was preparing to do that. And I was like, holy ****, that wasn't part of my plan.
00:28:07 Laura
What does that mean?
00:28:10 Laura
Like, that's not how I'd.
00:28:13 Laura
How I anticipated things would go, but then starting to think about.
00:28:20 Medium Natashia Mack
But OK.
00:28:21 Laura
So what if that is a part of what happens?
00:28:23 Laura
You know, and so he enters into another.
00:28:26 Laura
I even asked her. So what does that mean for the connection that I've had with him thus far?
00:28:30 Laura
It become less if he's busy living a life and and.
00:28:36 Laura
And she I remember exactly what she said. But something like yes.
00:28:39 Laura
Some ways yes.
00:28:42 Laura
He will always have a.
00:28:44 Laura
In his new life, he'll always have.
00:28:47 Laura
An affinity for the time period that you knew each other.
00:28:52 Laura
So always be like really interested in that time.
00:28:55 Laura
That's.
00:28:56 Laura
You know, to think about the time periods historically that I'm interested in.
00:29:01 Laura
But anyway, that that possibility of somebody who we've loved entering into a new life and what that means for our connection with them.
00:29:13 Laura
Was a new thing for me to consider and think about at that time and has been something I've I've continued to kind of try to wrap my mind around what that means and how that connection still maintains if they are in a new life.
00:29:29 Laura
Is I'm curious for you. Is that something you've in your conversations with the other side?
00:29:34 Laura
That something that's come up for you before.
00:29:37 Medium Natashia Mack
For.
00:29:38 Medium Natashia Mack
Definitely something that I've been so curious about on my mediumship development journey and you know and like as a human, you're just so, well, we're curious, right?
00:29:50 Medium Natashia Mack
We're naturally very curious, but also.
00:29:53
We.
00:29:56 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah, like for a long time I tried to figure out like, how does that work, but basically.
00:30:01 Medium Natashia Mack
You know, we have our soul and we have our spirit.
00:30:06 Medium Natashia Mack
And so you would still have a connection.
00:30:11 Medium Natashia Mack
With the spirit of who he was and in that lifetime that connection you had with him, but his soul would be in a new body. You.
00:30:20 Medium Natashia Mack
Know what I mean?
00:30:21 Medium Natashia Mack
Like, that's the way that.
00:30:24 Medium Natashia Mack
So far anyways, on my journey that I've come to understand, it is like the layers.
00:30:30 Medium Natashia Mack
The soul.
00:30:31 Medium Natashia Mack
And the spirit and how?
00:30:35 Medium Natashia Mack
Obviously there's so much more that we can even begin to understand as humans, right until we get to the other side and then we kind of know.
00:30:45 Medium Natashia Mack
How everything?
00:30:46 Medium Natashia Mack
But yeah, that's the way that I understand it is like it's like the layer, the spirit is a layer over top of the soul.
00:30:54 Medium Natashia Mack
And so you're still always gonna have that connection with the spirit.
00:30:58 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah, the soul has the ability to reincarnate still.
00:31:02 Medium Natashia Mack
So it's not like you're losing him forever or you know.
00:31:05 Medium Natashia Mack
Like your loved one forever type of thing.
00:31:11 Medium Natashia Mack
Because the spirit I feel like.
00:31:13 Medium Natashia Mack
Is what encompasses their personality, their characteristics, their experiences, everything that they learned in the lifetime that they had, right.
00:31:24 Laura
Yeah.
00:31:25 Medium Natashia Mack
So like you, Laura, the spirit within you is gonna contain everything from this lifetime.
00:31:32 Medium Natashia Mack
And that energy is never gonna die.
00:31:36 Medium Natashia Mack
That, like the essence of your spirit, is never gonna die.
00:31:39 Medium Natashia Mack
Never gonna be destroyed.
00:31:41 Medium Natashia Mack
It's it's always going to be.
00:31:44 Medium Natashia Mack
But your soul will continue to reincarnate in different lifetimes.
00:31:49
Mm.
00:31:50 Medium Natashia Mack
And yeah, anyways, this is like I don't know if any of that makes sense or.
00:31:55 Laura
Yeah, it does and.
00:31:58 Laura
You know what?
00:31:59 Laura
I was sort of and I don't know that this is right or wrong, but what I was sort of thinking as you.
00:32:04 Laura
That was.
00:32:04 Laura
The spirit being.
00:32:08 Laura
Maybe a part of?
00:32:13 Laura
Like the greater just consciousness that that is the connection of all of us and the soul being.
00:32:22 Laura
Kind.
00:32:22 Laura
What brings the life into a human form, or an animal, or a being or whatever that is still is connected to the spirit and the greater consciousness, but is also having a human experience.
00:32:38 Laura
Yeah. Again, I just came up with that.
00:32:41 Laura
Know if that's right or not.
00:32:42 Medium Natashia Mack
I know, yes. Because you know the soul is is.
00:32:46 Medium Natashia Mack
So if you think of like God, like greater consciousness, the creator.
00:32:52 Medium Natashia Mack
Just picture it, being this like ball of light and then us being the little seedlings, that kind of separate, right?
00:33:00 Medium Natashia Mack
Your.
00:33:01 Medium Natashia Mack
That's just kind of like separating and having a human experience, that sort of thing. I don't know.
00:33:07 Medium Natashia Mack
The way I've always pictured in in my brain.
00:33:10 Medium Natashia Mack
And which is interesting.
00:33:12 Medium Natashia Mack
'Cause I see it as the egg, like an egg.
00:33:16 Medium Natashia Mack
Like inside of a woman and then.
00:33:20 Medium Natashia Mack
The little seeds kind of like little sperm.
00:33:23 Medium Natashia Mack
You know what I mean?
00:33:24 Medium Natashia Mack
Like it's just interesting when you think of creation and the Creator and how it's all connected.
00:33:28 Laura
Yeah.
00:33:30 Medium Natashia Mack
I don't know. That's how I see it in my brain.
00:33:32 Laura
Yeah.
00:33:34 Laura
Yeah. No, that is really interesting.
00:33:38 Laura
And.
00:33:41 Laura
I guess it if I look at it through that lens, that would make sense too, as time has passed. How the?
00:33:50 Laura
Like at one point the connection that I felt with these people was right there, you know, right in my face and how that it's gotten more subtle.
00:33:56 Laura
It's gotten more quiet and so, but still there, but in a different way. And maybe that points to what we're talking about here is that's more the connection to.
00:34:07 Laura
Their spirit, but their soul maybe.
00:34:11 Laura
Doing something else right now.
00:34:13 Medium Natashia Mack
It's very possible.
00:34:16 Medium Natashia Mack
This is something I definitely want to like.
00:34:20 Medium Natashia Mack
Set with spirit and kind of see what comes up. It makes me very curious to know more. You know, I feel like so much of my mediumship development journey has been focused on learning the insurance and outs of evidential mediumship like the action of doing that and ser.
00:34:25 Laura
Yeah.
00:34:38 Medium Natashia Mack
That way.
00:34:39 Medium Natashia Mack
But so little has actually been.
00:34:43 Medium Natashia Mack
Focused on.
00:34:46 Medium Natashia Mack
Learning the insurance and outs of the spirit world and how things work beyond the veil and all of that.
00:34:56 Medium Natashia Mack
Obviously I have.
00:34:59 Medium Natashia Mack
You know, I have knowledge and experience with it, but just not like there's certain questions I have that I didn't realize I had until I kind of have conversations like this where I'm like, wow, I would really love to sit with spirit and learn more. So you've Insp.
00:35:06 Laura
Yeah.
00:35:13 Medium Natashia Mack
Me with this and.
00:35:16 Medium Natashia Mack
I'll have.
00:35:16 Medium Natashia Mack
I'll have to update people with my findings as.
00:35:20 Medium Natashia Mack
As I start, you know, actually sitting with spirit and yeah, learning more. But that leads me to wanting to ask you.
00:35:31 Medium Natashia Mack
The story you were going to share before I cut you off so that I could hit record. I would love to hear what what you were going to share.
00:35:35 Laura
Mm.
00:35:41 Laura
Yeah, well, so there was another student who was in the the mediumship training that I had done.
00:35:49 Laura
With you.
00:35:52 Laura
And we.
00:35:54 Laura
Partnered up during that, I think to do a few like practice exercises.
00:35:58 Laura
I knew her a little, but I wasn't really.
00:36:01 Laura
Wasn't like friends with.
00:36:02 Laura
We became friends on social media, but that was it.
00:36:05 Laura
And then a couple years and then that class ended and then a couple years passed and nothing happened.
00:36:11 Laura
And then.
00:36:13 Laura
Around this time last year, I was just feeling this crazy sense of urgency that I needed to reach out to her and get a medium reading with her.
00:36:23 Laura
Like specifically, I needed to get this reading and I didn't do like I had this thought a few times.
00:36:28 Laura
Didn't do it because I was busy or whatever and then, but then I kept.
00:36:34 Laura
It got to a point where every time I was looking at social media, a post of hers was what I was. The first thing that I was seeing.
00:36:43 Laura
So I eventually just reached out and got the medium reading with her, but at the time it didn't make sense.
00:36:50 Laura
Didn't know who was coming.
00:36:52 Laura
I didn't know what it was about.
00:36:54 Laura
It didn't.
00:36:54 Laura
It didn't give me.
00:36:57 Laura
Any clarity, especially given the fact that I had felt such urgency to get this reading, but it kind of just.
00:37:04 Laura
Forgot about it for a few days, but about a week after the reading.
00:37:10 Laura
The person who came through died, so that means that he had come through, was still alive.
00:37:17 Laura
But his death was nearing.
00:37:21 Laura
And then there was an accident.
00:37:23 Laura
Actually, yeah, there was an accident. He was in a coma for a couple days before he died. And so on the night of the accident, when I was laying awake, just tossing and turning.
00:37:32 Laura
It it just.
00:37:34 Laura
Connected that and I had that drop in like knowing you were talking about and I was just like that was.
00:37:40 Laura
I it just like I just knew it all made sense in the context of this person, but I hadn't obviously thought about him because he was still alive at the time.
00:37:49 Laura
So that started kind of this ongoing throughout almost all of last year conversation I did.
00:37:56 Laura
Well, I did. And then I also.
00:38:00 Laura
Coordinated a couple readings with her, with his various family members, but so this kind of ongoing evolving conversation through her with him over the majority of last year, which was just really crazy to.
00:38:17 Laura
Experience that on so many different levels with somebody coming through before they died and then like this evolving thing.
00:38:25 Laura
Was really cool.
00:38:26 Medium Natashia Mack
Wow.
00:38:29 Medium Natashia Mack
OK.
00:38:29 Medium Natashia Mack
So when when they had come through, they weren't in a coma, they didn't have Alzheimer's, like there wasn't anything like that. Wow.
00:38:37 Laura
No, and it was somebody young, so he it was an accident.
00:38:41 Laura
Why he died, he wasn't sick.
00:38:43 Laura
So when he came through, it was about.
00:38:46 Laura
I don't remember exactly how many days, but a week.
00:38:51 Laura
Maybe a couple days over a couple days, less than a week, but about a week before the accident.
00:38:58 Laura
And then the accident.
00:38:59 Laura
And then there were two days while he was alive in a coma.
00:39:03 Laura
And then died.
00:39:05 Medium Natashia Mack
Wow.
00:39:08 Laura
Yes.
00:39:10 Medium Natashia Mack
Oh my God.
00:39:13 Medium Natashia Mack
Well, I don't even know what to say because.
00:39:18 Medium Natashia Mack
And so like I've I've.
00:39:20 Medium Natashia Mack
Experiences where you know I'm doing a reading for someone and.
00:39:28 Medium Natashia Mack
Like the information coming through resemble like it's talking about someone who's living.
00:39:33 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah, but usually like typically.
00:39:37
It's.
00:39:39 Medium Natashia Mack
Another loved one kind of bringing that information forward.
00:39:42 Medium Natashia Mack
So it's like I I don't realize until after that. You know, they're like, oh, well, that all resonates with this one person, but they're still alive.
00:39:51 Medium Natashia Mack
So to me, in my mind, I'm like, oh, that means that someone else is bringing that information forward. But I'm so.
00:39:59 Medium Natashia Mack
Anything is possible, honestly.
00:40:01 Laura
Yeah.
00:40:02
Well.
00:40:03 Laura
You know it's interesting because I remember asking you this or having this conversation at some point when I was doing the training with you about this topic of people coming through while they're still alive and.
00:40:15 Laura
The ants, I think from how I remember at least the answers you had based off of what your experiences were were were that people who were like in coma.
00:40:25 Laura
Or who were terminally ill.
00:40:29 Laura
Or maybe very old like that and the experience in that those people who are kind of had one foot, you know, 1 foot in this world, 1 foot out already.
00:40:40 Laura
That had come through, but even that, though being planted as a seed of possibility when somebody's technically still alive, and I think in hindsight.
00:40:54 Laura
Paired with the experience of mine that I was talking about earlier where I just, I felt so weird that day of the death, although at that point nothing had happened, like kind of pulling from that. Like I think made me even.
00:41:03
Right.
00:41:09 Laura
Able to consider.
00:41:13 Laura
The possibility of.
00:41:16 Laura
Of this being him that had come through before he.
00:41:20 Laura
I mean, it did feel so, so true to me in everything she said applied directly to him.
00:41:26 Medium Natashia Mack
That's insane.
00:41:27 Laura
But, but you know, without having had these experiences and conversations with you, like I don't.
00:41:32 Laura
I might have also just been like, yeah, but you're crazy and dismiss.
00:41:35 Medium Natashia Mack
Right.
00:41:38 Laura
But because these these had been planted, I think that made space for the possibility of it, and I was like.
00:41:46 Laura
OK, but what if you know? But just what if this were possible?
00:41:49 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah.
00:41:50 Laura
And considering that.
00:41:51 Medium Natashia Mack
For sure.
00:41:53 Laura
And I think, I mean, I know from my experience and the people I've worked with experiences and working with grief like choosing that over choosing.
00:42:04 Laura
You're the crazy person.
00:42:06 Laura
Makes makes surviving without your person.
00:42:11 Laura
In my experience, so much more manageable.
00:42:16 Laura
Absolutely. That's the road. If I have to live the rest of my life without this person, I'm gonna choose to live it in a world where I get to believe.
00:42:23 Laura
That there's still some, some something there, some kind of connection as opposed to believing I'm?
00:42:30 Laura
OK.
00:42:31 Medium Natashia Mack
Yes, not even just.
00:42:33 Medium Natashia Mack
Like even just to add to that, there are also. There's also this whole other area.
00:42:41 Medium Natashia Mack
Of belief where you know specifically.
00:42:46 Medium Natashia Mack
Those who are very religious, they believe that once you pass like you go back to, you know, God and you do not ever connect with your loved one.
00:42:59 Medium Natashia Mack
Any love? You know what, I.
00:43:01 Medium Natashia Mack
Like there's no more connection you don't hear from them anymore.
00:43:05 Medium Natashia Mack
And so that's like a whole other belief too.
00:43:09 Laura
Yeah.
00:43:11 Medium Natashia Mack
Where? So again for me and like what you're saying, I could not.
00:43:18 Medium Natashia Mack
Live knowing that I don't know.
00:43:20 Medium Natashia Mack
I just that's not like for me personally, that's just not.
00:43:26 Medium Natashia Mack
Something that feels that's not a supportive belief or like I just can't.
00:43:31 Medium Natashia Mack
Doesn't feel true to me at all, not only because.
00:43:35 Medium Natashia Mack
I I couldn't imagine spending the rest of my life.
00:43:40 Medium Natashia Mack
Just not having that connection with them while they're on the other side. But also there's just so much evidence that shows that they are still around and they are. You know what I mean?
00:43:50 Medium Natashia Mack
I've had so many personal experiences.
00:43:54 Medium Natashia Mack
Where they're definitely still around and they're, you know, trying to communicate with us and they're they're sending us signs and they're, you know, things like that.
00:43:56 Laura
Yeah.
00:44:02 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah. Thank you for sharing that story. That's incredible.
00:44:08 Medium Natashia Mack
I just thought of.
00:44:10 Medium Natashia Mack
One experience I had that.
00:44:14 Medium Natashia Mack
I still can't quite explain.
00:44:16 Medium Natashia Mack
Was a little bit similar where I was doing a reading for a client and this man came through who had a stroke but he survived the stroke and.
00:44:30 Medium Natashia Mack
You know, he was OK after.
00:44:32 Medium Natashia Mack
And you know, I had described this gentleman and it sounded like someone who is still living.
00:44:39 Medium Natashia Mack
To the sitter.
00:44:41 Medium Natashia Mack
And I think it was like a few weeks later, this actually happened to that man. He ended up having a stroke right before I think it was her daughter who got married, like, right before the wedding.
00:44:56 Medium Natashia Mack
But he ended up surviving it.
00:44:57 Medium Natashia Mack
He was OK after that.
00:45:01 Medium Natashia Mack
That.
00:45:01 Medium Natashia Mack
So that's what that made me think of. Like, you know, with you sharing your story made me think of.
00:45:06 Medium Natashia Mack
That situation where I kind of couldn't wrap my head around it.
00:45:09 Medium Natashia Mack
How is this?
00:45:10 Medium Natashia Mack
How did? How is it that he had come through before he had a?
00:45:14 Medium Natashia Mack
Kind of warning that he was gonna have one, but that he would be OK, so that everyone knew that he would be OK, right?
00:45:22 Medium Natashia Mack
There's just still so many questions, but I guess that is what happens when you're human and.
00:45:30 Laura
Yeah. And I think there's a lot that we just can't wrap our human brains around.
00:45:35 Laura
And that we try to fit into the context of the stories we we know or we've been taught and they don't fit.
00:45:44 Laura
But yeah, so I think just and I know it's hard to do but but.
00:45:52 Laura
Having the suggestions of these different possibilities and considering that and I don't think you know with different religious or cultural viewpoints or whatever, it might be that believe these certain things that I think that's fine if that's what you want to believe.
00:46:05 Laura
I think what's more important?
00:46:08 Laura
Is that you?
00:46:09 Laura
Is recognizing that you can make the choice in doing that.
00:46:12 Laura
You know, and believing in subscribing to that belief. What?
00:46:16 Laura
Whatever it is like, if it's something like if it's a religious belief or something that you're raised with, but then something happens that maybe rocks that that viewpoint, you do have the choice to reconsider if this is still true for you or not. True for you and either.
00:46:32 Laura
Is fine.
00:46:33 Laura
I think whichever choice you make, but anyway I think we can get so stuck in the stories we've we've.
00:46:41 Laura
We've tied ourselves to that.
00:46:45 Laura
Sometimes it doesn't leave room for these areas of possibility. That can be so like earth shattering.
00:46:53 Medium Natashia Mack
Absolutely. And I you said that so beautifully, by the way.
00:46:57 Medium Natashia Mack
Like I just love listening to you talk. You said that.
00:47:01 Medium Natashia Mack
Beautifully 'cause. It's so true.
00:47:02 Medium Natashia Mack
Know I mentioned like.
00:47:05 Medium Natashia Mack
Some people choose to believe because of their religious beliefs that you know our loved ones go somewhere and then there never to be heard from again. And but, like, maybe for someone if that is their way of coping with grief, then who am I to say that that.
00:47:20 Medium Natashia Mack
Wrong.
00:47:21 Laura
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:21 Medium Natashia Mack
Right, if that's what feels most supportive and nourishing for them, then that's that's perfect for them, for me.
00:47:28 Laura
Yeah.
00:47:28 Medium Natashia Mack
Then you know and then I have my beliefs that feel so supportive and nourishing for me.
00:47:33 Medium Natashia Mack
I really love that you added that.
00:47:35 Medium Natashia Mack
Part.
00:47:36 Medium Natashia Mack
I think that's a really important reminder for me too, that everyone's going to have.
00:47:41 Medium Natashia Mack
Their own ways of coping and.
00:47:44 Laura
Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, we get to choose what feels supportive and nourishing for us, absolutely.
00:47:51 Medium Natashia Mack
Oh, this was such a good conversation.
00:47:54 Medium Natashia Mack
Before we kind of wrap this up, I would love if there's anything 'cause. You know, you're super intuitive.
00:48:02 Medium Natashia Mack
I was wondering if there's anything you feel called to share, like just like a message. Like maybe someone needs to hear it.
00:48:10 Medium Natashia Mack
Not to put any pressure on you, but.
00:48:12 Medium Natashia Mack
Don't don't overthink it.
00:48:13 Medium Natashia Mack
Over overthink.
00:48:14 Medium Natashia Mack
Like is there just something on your heart that?
00:48:18 Medium Natashia Mack
You could share.
00:48:22 Laura
Hold on.
00:48:27 Laura
Trust the process. That's what's coming.
00:48:30 Laura
Trust the process which I I need to heed that advice.
00:48:33 Laura
Maybe it's for me.
00:48:36 Laura
But also maybe, maybe maybe for somebody else too.
00:48:41 Medium Natashia Mack
Love that. I think that's the perfect message.
00:48:44 Medium Natashia Mack
'Cause it's something that's hard to do right.
00:48:46 Laura
Yeah.
00:48:48 Medium Natashia Mack
And, you know, even just like connecting that to our conversation about grief.
00:48:54 Medium Natashia Mack
That's that's a really hard one to trust, right?
00:48:58 Medium Natashia Mack
Whole process.
00:48:58 Laura
It's close so far.
00:49:01 Laura
I still battle that daily, right?
00:49:03
Because.
00:49:04 Medium Natashia Mack
Because it's like not linear.
00:49:07 Medium Natashia Mack
It's kind of a hot.
00:49:08 Medium Natashia Mack
It's a roller coaster. Some days you're totally.
00:49:12 Medium Natashia Mack
Other days you feel like you've been hit by a train.
00:49:17 Medium Natashia Mack
You know, because you just you feel them.
00:49:19 Medium Natashia Mack
And I actually started to wonder if the days where I am just a sobbing mess out of nowhere is because I feel her closest to me.
00:49:29 Laura
I know, but it's just a shift there in perspective, right?
00:49:34 Laura
What if that were true?
00:49:36 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah, right.
00:49:37 Laura
That would change things for you, right?
00:49:39 Medium Natashia Mack
Yes, exactly like the days where I just like, can't get her off my mind.
00:49:40
Yes.
00:49:45 Medium Natashia Mack
Or I'm flooded with memories or whatever it is.
00:49:48 Medium Natashia Mack
I'm more emotional about.
00:49:51 Medium Natashia Mack
I I started to wonder like.
00:49:53 Medium Natashia Mack
It's gotta be because she's just, like, so close by. Like, she's right there. So of course.
00:49:57
You know.
00:50:00 Medium Natashia Mack
Feeling her?
00:50:01 Medium Natashia Mack
Of course I'm overwhelmed with emotions because I I'm missing her.
00:50:05 Laura
Yeah.
00:50:07 Medium Natashia Mack
Yeah. So I like that.
00:50:09 Laura
I love that shift.
00:50:10 Medium Natashia Mack
Yes, yes, maybe someone needed to hear that too.
00:50:13 Laura
Yeah.
00:50:15 Medium Natashia Mack
Well, Laura, it has been a.
00:50:17 Medium Natashia Mack
I feel like this was such a nourishing conversation, and I feel like there's so many good golden Nuggets in here that are gonna be really supportive for my listeners.
00:50:25 Medium Natashia Mack
So can you actually let my listeners know?
00:50:29 Medium Natashia Mack
How they can connect with you like?
00:50:31 Medium Natashia Mack
What sort of offerings do you have? Tell us about it.
00:50:35 Laura
Yes. So my business that is not therapy.
00:50:40 Laura
It is now called grief on.
00:50:42 Laura
So I have a website that's grief on purpose.com.
00:50:46 Laura
Instagram grief dot on dot purpose and Facebook my current offerings are I have some grief courses and journals that I've created that have all been inspired by.
00:51:00 Laura
Over a decade of work as a therapist and just kind of tackling this, the common questions and misunderstandings that come up.
00:51:10 Laura
These are designed to be really supportive of people, but for people who are maybe.
00:51:15 Laura
Not going to go to therapy for whatever reason, but still want to.
00:51:21 Laura
Do some work, you know, and learn more about themselves and learn more about their grief.
00:51:25 Laura
I have those available.
00:51:28 Laura
I'm working on writing a book about yoga and grief and the integration of those two, so that's probably still a year plus out from publication, but that's in the works and.
00:51:45 Laura
At this moment I'm trusting the process and just kind of sitting with how I don't know exactly how.
00:51:49 Medium Natashia Mack
Love it.
00:51:54 Laura
This grief work that's not confined in the box of therapy. How that's going to fully evolve, but I'm letting that percolate and seeing what what comes from that.
00:52:08 Medium Natashia Mack
I love that.
00:52:10 Medium Natashia Mack
Is there anything else?
00:52:12 Medium Natashia Mack
There anything else?
00:52:13 Medium Natashia Mack
I'm just trying to think no, OK, you mentioned.
00:52:18 Medium Natashia Mack
Do you have a YouTube channel?
00:52:20 Laura
I don't have a YouTube channel, no, maybe some.
00:52:24 Medium Natashia Mack
Maybe someday, because that's what I was feeling was missing, but.
00:52:29 Medium Natashia Mack
But apparently it doesn't exist yet.
00:52:31 Medium Natashia Mack
Maybe it will someday.
00:52:31 Laura
It doesn't.
00:52:33
It.
00:52:33 Laura
Doesn't, but I'm I'm. I think I might be starting a podcast.
00:52:37 Laura
But maybe the that ties into the YouTube channel I'm trying to.
00:52:43 Laura
I need to get some more stories to include in the book that I'm writing, and I'm thinking about doing that through podcast form, but then seeing how that podcast evolves into maybe something greater so.
00:52:54 Laura
So that's maybe where you're picking up on YouTube?
00:52:54 Medium Natashia Mack
I love that.
00:52:57 Medium Natashia Mack
Probably.
00:52:59 Medium Natashia Mack
Well, thank you so much, Laura, and thank you to all of our listeners for, you know, tuning in today if you.
00:53:08 Medium Natashia Mack
Who want to or if you have any questions, definitely drop them below or below my.
00:53:13 Medium Natashia Mack
Well, yeah. In the episode Spotify anyways has like, a question box now or, you know, send a message to me or Laura, go follow her.
00:53:23 Laura
Yeah. Talk to you guys later.
00:53:26 Medium Natashia Mack
Bye bye.
