The Hot Mess Medium Show Ep. 10 - Navigating the Other Side: Mediumship, Sensitivity & Personal Paranormal Tales with special guest Penny Guilford
On this episode of the Hot Mess Medium Show I had a really fun conversation with my special Guest, Medium Penny Guilford!
Some of the things we chatted about:
-All things paranormal, specifically our own personal stories & experiences!
-The connection between Anxiety & Spirit Energy
-Navigating Highly Sensitivity
-Highly sensitive children: how they are messengers & how they are often born with memories of their past life times
-Moments that solidified our beliefs that Mediumship isn’t “evil”
-& more!
Connect with Medium Penny Guilford:
YouTube, Facebook, and IG: @thepennyguilford
Website: www.pennyguilford.com
For upcoming events, private readings & more info on how you can have your questions answered in the podcast, go to: www.mediumnatashiamack.com
Follow me on Instagram: @mediumnatashiamack
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00:00:03 Natashia Mack
And there we.
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Hello to our listeners and.
00:00:09 Natashia Mack
Hello to.
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Penny is our special guest for today.
00:00:12 Natashia Mack
I'm so excited to have her.
00:00:14 Natashia Mack
We're just giggling because we're setting an intention prayer and.
00:00:20 Natashia Mack
For this episode, and I asked her if she wanted to add anything and she said please God, no interruptions from my kids and.
00:00:28 Penny Guilford
I just thought that was the best.
00:00:31 Penny Guilford
No kids, no cat.
00:00:33 Speaker 3
Oh, the cat. You might hear her in the background scratching at the door, but.
00:00:38 Natashia Mack
You might hear mine too.
00:00:40 Natashia Mack
Oh, I actually had to, like, kick them all out before, you know, not obviously I I I lovingly carried them out of the bedroom because I knew that one of them at one point would want to scratch at the door, cry to go outside or whatever. So.
00:00:44 Penny Guilford
Huh.
00:00:56 Natashia Mack
There we go. No kids, no kids.
00:01:01 Penny Guilford
So OK, penny.
00:01:04 Natashia Mack
You know, this is probably the worst part is introduce yourself. I know mine.
00:01:09 Natashia Mack
Mine goes blank when people ask me to do that. Hopefully yours doesn't.
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I.
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Somebody asked me that.
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I'm like.
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Who am?
00:01:17 Penny Guilford
I know all of a sudden existential crisis.
00:01:20 Penny Guilford
Wait a second.
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All right.
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I'm.
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A mom wife.
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I am a psychic medium.
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I'm an end of life doula. I'm all the things.
00:01:35 Natashia Mack
I love that so many hats.
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Yeah.
00:01:40 Natashia Mack
That's awesome. Well.
00:01:43 Natashia Mack
You know, I'm really excited to.
00:01:46 Natashia Mack
Get into this episode and just have a have a conversation about some paranormal things.
00:01:53 Natashia Mack
And.
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I was so excited cause Penny actually submitted a story.
00:01:59 Natashia Mack
For me to share in the podcast, but when I saw the story and saw that she actually has so many to share, and because I know and love penny, I thought that it would be perfect to have her on and to chat about some. Some of those things.
00:02:12 Natashia Mack
I know I'm someone who loves to hear about paranormal stories.
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I actually.
00:02:18 Natashia Mack
I was a kid. I wanted to be a paranormal investigator.
00:02:21 Penny Guilford
Replay.
00:02:24 Natashia Mack
So the stories like this, just like even.
00:02:26 Natashia Mack
But I don't.
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Scary movies cannot watch any scary movies. Oh.
00:02:29 Penny Guilford
OK.
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Me.
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Either.
00:02:33 Natashia Mack
Just keep them far away from me. But personal stories that are real.
00:02:37 Penny Guilford
Yeah. Tell me all.
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Yeah.
00:02:40 Natashia Mack
Which is kind of backwards anyways, so I think before we get into like the stories, I'd love to hear first.
00:02:51 Natashia Mack
Kind of like your origin.
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How did you know you were a psychic?
00:02:54 Natashia Mack
And.
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You have these experiences as a child.
00:03:00 Speaker 3
Yes, I was a big dork and went to the library all the time, and I'd get, like, all the books on.
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Ghosts, demonic possessions, ESP. Psychic stuff like I read all the books that.
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Little library had on it.
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Obsessed, like, even as a kid with all this stuff.
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I remember my.
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He used to actually talk to me about Astral.
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I didn't know what it was at the time, but he would talk about, like remote viewing into his neighbor's house, and I'm thinking that's such a weird thing.
00:03:37 Speaker 3
Why do you want to look in your neighbor's house? But.
00:03:40 Penny Guilford
Those everywhere.
00:03:42 Natashia Mack
My grandfather also used to talk to me about astral projection, and he had books on it. I have goosies everywhere.
00:03:46 Penny Guilford
Oh, that's so good.
00:03:50 Penny Guilford
That's so funny.
00:03:51 Natashia Mack
I love that he used it to Snoop in his neighbor's home.
00:03:57 Penny Guilford
Where would.
00:03:58 Penny Guilford
Choose.
00:03:59 Speaker 3
Your neighbor's house.
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But he was very much into that stuff.
00:04:03 Speaker 3
He would talk about.
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Ghosts and paranormal stuff and.
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You know, I remember my my mom, like, growing up, I would watch.
00:04:15 Speaker 3
You know, I don't remember Montel Williams show.
00:04:18 Speaker 3
Brown was always on.
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We'd watch that every week, crossing over with John Edward.
00:04:24 Speaker 3
So my mom, like I grew up in a religious house, but there was also that, like, curiosity there, I think too.
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And.
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So it washed all the psychic shows and I just loved it.
00:04:39 Speaker 3
And part of it too is. I think I knew I was having weird things happening to me and I was trying to.
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Out.
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And like what it was type of thing.
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So when I was a kid, I used to see at night a shadow walking down the hallway and of course freaked me out.
00:04:56 Speaker 3
Who freaked anybody out?
00:04:58 Penny Guilford
But I was.
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Always terrified of like the dark and stuff.
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I would see shadows as a kid.
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I would randomly hear music when there's no music playing.
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I remember one time I must have been like.
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Don't know eight or nine and I was crying for some.
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The middle the night. I have no idea why I was crying, but I felt like a hand on my face.
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Course. I stopped crying immediately because I was freaky.
00:05:25 Penny Guilford
Yeah, I've only had a few strange.
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Experiences and I think I was always trying to figure out.
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What it was.
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You know, I've always been very spiritual and, you know, believe in God and all that.
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There's.
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So it's like, OK.
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What are these ghosts in my house?
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But.
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Yeah. And I had one crazy experience when I was about.
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Think.
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Was 13, so me and a family member like we shared a bedroom at the time and it was this was like, I don't know, 10:00 at night.
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Had already put the lights out.
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Going to.
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I don't remember who woke up who I think she might have woke me up, but.
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I open my eyes and there's like these bright green orbs all over my room.
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Like they're not moving.
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They're just everywhere in the room.
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And we were, like, arguing. Who's gonna turn the light on?
00:06:27 Penny Guilford
Eventually she got up and turned the light on.
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It all disappeared.
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And I've never experienced anything like that since.
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And I don't know what it was, but obviously something and you know it ran and told my parents and like, oh, it must've been car headlights or, you know, just kind of brushing it off right.
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But yeah, so that was probably one of the biggest.
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Strange paranormal things that I haven't been able to really explain.
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I think I'm going on a tangent now, but I'm.
00:06:57 Natashia Mack
No, this is yeah, this is perfect. I love this.
00:06:57 Speaker 3
Gonna get my story.
00:07:02 Penny Guilford
Keep going.
00:07:04 Speaker 3
So.
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When I was about 16, yeah, I was 16.
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I was going through some depression.
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As a lot of 16 year olds do.
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But I was kind of getting frustrated. 'cause like my TV would like randomly turn on by itself at night. And I, you know, hear this music and all these things.
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I was getting.
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I'm like, can you please stop doing this to me?
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And it stopped.
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Like I didn't experience anything paranormal from 16 till like.
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My early 20s is when it started coming.
00:07:36 Natashia Mack
Wow.
00:07:37 Speaker 3
And I think.
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My theory is, you know.
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God heard me and was like OK.
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Chick needs a break.
00:07:45 Penny Guilford
Oh, and then when I was ready to be coming back.
00:07:46 Natashia Mack
Yeah, yeah.
00:07:49 Natashia Mack
Yeah.
00:07:49 Penny Guilford
And it started.
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With the most.
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Strange thing was we had a kitten at the time, who's currently the one yelling at the door.
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Not a kitten anymore. She's old.
00:07:59 Penny Guilford
Can't even hear her.
00:08:02 Speaker 3
So she.
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So she was a.
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This was in the middle of the night. I was in the bathroom and I saw what I thought was the kitten, you know, coming up to me. And I'm like, oh, how did she get out-of-the-box 'cause? She was really little at the time. So she.
00:08:19 Speaker 3
In like a cardboard box.
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And so I reached down and my hand went through it and it disappeared.
00:08:30 Penny Guilford
Well, look, this was not my kitten.
00:08:34 Penny Guilford
Her siblings.
00:08:35 Penny Guilford
I don't know because.
00:08:36 Speaker 3
She just randomly walked up to my husband one day like.
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She just found.
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Like that's how I feel like that's how all my animals come to me.
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Just find us.
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So that was.
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That's the only ghost cat I've ever experienced.
00:08:54 Natashia Mack
I love ghost cat experiences.
00:08:57 Natashia Mack
The only time I've experienced like ghost cats has been them like jumping on the foot of my bed.
00:09:03 Natashia Mack
You know when you.
00:09:04 Natashia Mack
I don't know if you thought that before.
00:09:07 Natashia Mack
That seems to be a really common one for people. When I when I bring that.
00:09:12 Natashia Mack
It's like.
00:09:14 Natashia Mack
It feels like a cat jumping on your bed and then you look and there's no cat jumping.
00:09:16 Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Yep.
00:09:18 Natashia Mack
Your bed.
00:09:22 Natashia Mack
And I remember even like before, I knew I was a medium.
00:09:28 Natashia Mack
I had.
00:09:28 Natashia Mack
Experience. And I knew it's so weird.
00:09:32 Natashia Mack
You just know, like, oh, like my cat, Tommy, for my childhood, popped into my head.
00:09:38 Natashia Mack
It's funny how you kind of know or you.
00:09:43 Natashia Mack
You even when you don't realize you're a medium, you're still kind of it's this weird inner knowing, right?
00:09:50 Penny Guilford
Yeah.
00:09:50 Natashia Mack
Kind of like when you yelled out. Can you guys just stop doing this like you even though?
00:09:55 Natashia Mack
You didn't know you were a medium at the time, like you were 16.
00:09:58 Natashia Mack
That's when you were 16, but it's cool how you still, like, were able to set that boundary and spirit listened.
00:10:07 Speaker 3
Yeah.
00:10:07 Natashia Mack
Don't.
00:10:08 Natashia Mack
I felt like.
00:10:08 Natashia Mack
There's like a golden nugget there for people to hear that.
00:10:13 Natashia Mack
You can do that like you can talk out loud and set that boundary with spirit.
00:10:17 Natashia Mack
And yeah, I really love that you share that.
00:10:21 Natashia Mack
And then the.
00:10:23 Natashia Mack
Green orbs.
00:10:25 Natashia Mack
So I have seen orbs before too, and my kids have seen orbs as well.
00:10:31 Natashia Mack
That is just the coolest thing to see with your physical eyes.
00:10:34 Natashia Mack
Oh my gosh, it's it's.
00:10:35 Speaker 3
It's crazy.
00:10:37 Natashia Mack
You kind of like gaslight yourself sometimes, like.
00:10:39 Penny Guilford
Did I really see that?
00:10:43 Natashia Mack
Was that real?
00:10:43 Natashia Mack
Oh, but you know, that made me think.
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But.
00:10:45 Natashia Mack
I don't know if this resonates with you, but it made me think of Archangel Raphael.
00:10:51 Natashia Mack
Because I've seen blue orbs like many.
00:10:57 Natashia Mack
Bright blue orbs and then that makes me think of Archangel Michael because his color is blue. But anyways.
00:11:03
Yeah.
00:11:06 Natashia Mack
Just thought I'd throw that up there.
00:11:08 Natashia Mack
But so when was the moment that?
00:11:08 Speaker 3
Interesting.
00:11:13 Natashia Mack
You were like, OK.
00:11:15 Natashia Mack
I'm kind of a medium and I kind of.
00:11:19 Penny Guilford
I don't wanna see.
00:11:19 Natashia Mack
To see what happens.
00:11:22 Natashia Mack
I'm so curious.
00:11:24
Spell.
00:11:26 Speaker 3
I'll start with 2017 was like a big year for me.
00:11:33 Speaker 3
So I had my daughter in 2016 and I feel like after she was born it's like something opened up, you know, like more and more experiences. Like somehow I got into astrology or went down this whole like rabbit hole on YouTube.
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Don't even know how it started and that kind of.
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Spiraled into, like, more mediumship stuff and psychic stuff like I'd always.
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Been interested in it, but that kind.
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Like I don't know, it started the whole.
00:12:01 Speaker 3
Thing and in 2017, my uncle passed away and my nephew passed away and I started having a lot of like dreams.
00:12:14 Speaker 3
Very vivid dreams, especially with my.
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He would visit me in my dreams a lot. And you know, I had a dream that.
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He was living on this house on a hill and at the time we were trying to get a new house because we lived in a rinky **** little thing and about to have her second baby, and we needed a bigger one.
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But.
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I.
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Had this dream of him in this House on this hill, and then we ended up, you know, few months later.
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Buying a house on a hill and you know, I feel like things just started.
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Clicking and I do remember one day I was at home and.
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And I started having like these like I was laying down for a nap or something.
00:12:58 Speaker 3
Don't think I was sick or something, but.
00:13:00 Speaker 3
I started having like these visions of like people's faces. These random people just popping in and like colors of blue and purple.
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And I'm like, what is this?
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And then.
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In 2020, I started seeing.
00:13:20 Speaker 3
A mentor.
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And.
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I started doing like more like Oracle card readings because I've always been kind of fascinated with those and I feel like I really thrive in Oracle card readings.
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I really do well with them and you know, working with this mentor I'm like.
00:13:40 Speaker 3
Maybe I'm a medium.
00:13:44 Speaker 3
We're doing, you know, all these practices with me and like, you know, kind of remote viewing things and.
00:13:52 Speaker 3
I don't.
00:13:52 Speaker 3
It's just I started doing readings for other people and was surprised by how accurate they were.
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I'm like, am I just making this stuff?
00:14:01 Speaker 3
You know 'cause, that's what it feels like. It feels like you're making a bad.
00:14:03 Natashia Mack
Yeah, absolutely.
00:14:06 Speaker 3
Yeah, that's right. Or yeah, my grandpa, blah, blah, blah. And it all makes sense for them.
00:14:12 Speaker 3
Like.
00:14:13 Speaker 3
Maybe there's something to this?
00:14:17 Natashia Mack
I love that.
00:14:18 Natashia Mack
I think I'm so glad you brought that up. One. I'm so glad and grateful you shared all of that.
00:14:24 Natashia Mack
I think that's like a.
00:14:26 Natashia Mack
I don't know if the right word is a misconception when it comes to this work like I.
00:14:30 Natashia Mack
Truly believe.
00:14:32 Natashia Mack
So many people are walking around having these experiences, but the and and receiving information but not realizing it because.
00:14:41 Natashia Mack
You don't know unless it gets validated, right?
00:14:44 Natashia Mack
Right. You you have no idea. Unless it gets validated, validated and there's been so many times, like, not only for me personally, but even like working with students where they're like, well, just feels like I'm making it up like, OK, I see this in my head or I.
00:14:59 Natashia Mack
This or I'm hearing this or whatever.
00:15:03 Natashia Mack
But they're just so doubtful the whole time that there's any meaning to it because they have those thoughts all the time. They have those feelings all the time.
00:15:12 Natashia Mack
Then there's someone on the other end being like, Oh my God. And they're able to validate the information. And then they're like, what?
00:15:18 Penny Guilford
That's it.
00:15:19 Penny Guilford
Like it's not this like big.
00:15:23 Natashia Mack
I don't know like this this big in your face thing. That's just so obvious that it's you.
00:15:29 Natashia Mack
Know what I mean?
00:15:30 Speaker 3
Yeah. You think it's gonna be like this big, booming voice from God or something? And it's not literally a thought in your head and.
00:15:34 Penny Guilford
Yeah.
00:15:37 Speaker 3
Like OK.
00:15:40 Natashia Mack
It's literally a thought.
00:15:41 Natashia Mack
So like when we're in mediumship mode, you're literally just paying attention to your thoughts and noticing them, and you're just saying out loud what's coming through.
00:15:50 Natashia Mack
That's it.
00:15:51 Penny Guilford
That's it's crazy.
00:15:54 Natashia Mack
It's crazy.
00:15:55 Natashia Mack
OK, penny, I have to say, I didn't realize how much we had in common.
00:16:01 Natashia Mack
Like, yeah, you're saying your story, and I'm like.
00:16:05 Natashia Mack
This is weird.
00:16:07 Natashia Mack
Because I also had my daughter named Penny in 2016.
00:16:14 Natashia Mack
And that's what kind of ignited things for me.
00:16:16 Natashia Mack
And I started everything in 2017.
00:16:17 Penny Guilford
Oh, interesting.
00:16:20 Penny Guilford
Yeah.
00:16:21 Penny Guilford
That's weird.
00:16:24 Natashia Mack
That is so.
00:16:26 Natashia Mack
And even when you're explaining the seeing the colors and the faces in your mind, I remember that happening to me too.
00:16:35 Natashia Mack
So wild.
00:16:36
Yeah.
00:16:37 Natashia Mack
Just.
00:16:38 Natashia Mack
Yeah, it's just so weird. Like, I I didn't know other people experience that.
00:16:44 Natashia Mack
Yeah.
00:16:47 Natashia Mack
And.
00:16:48 Natashia Mack
What was the other thing?
00:16:51 Natashia Mack
Your nephew that you mentioned is not the one that I had connected to the one time.
00:16:56 Natashia Mack
I can't remember.
00:16:57 Speaker 3
I think so, yeah.
00:16:59 Natashia Mack
OK.
00:17:01 Natashia Mack
Very, very sweet young man, right?
00:17:05 Speaker 3
I mean, now he is.
00:17:07 Natashia Mack
Oh, now he is. Oh.
00:17:07 Speaker 3
A little ****.
00:17:12 Natashia Mack
I love that.
00:17:14 Penny Guilford
Of.
00:17:15 Penny Guilford
Well, you know.
00:17:19 Penny Guilford
Well, OK.
00:17:22 Natashia Mack
Oh question.
00:17:23 Speaker 3
Mm.
00:17:25 Natashia Mack
So it sounds like similar to.
00:17:26 Natashia Mack
You realized you were a medium and like you developed all of this after you got married.
00:17:33 Speaker 3
Yes. Yeah.
00:17:34 Natashia Mack
Right. So.
00:17:37 Natashia Mack
Is your husband open?
00:17:38 Natashia Mack
Is how is he with all of this? I'm so curious.
00:17:43 Speaker 3
Though.
00:17:44 Speaker 3
My husband was very much a sceptic.
00:17:47 Speaker 3
You know, very. I'm not gonna say close minded but just like never. He never had these experiences.
00:17:53 Speaker 3
He just wasn't paying attention.
00:17:55 Natashia Mack
Right.
00:17:57 Speaker 3
And then when I started developing more and you know, he was seeing that.
00:18:03 Speaker 3
I was getting things right and one thing I think really for him was when.
00:18:10 Speaker 3
I had a reading with a medium and I let him listen to it.
00:18:14 Speaker 3
And she was so spot on about so many things.
00:18:17 Speaker 3
He was like, wait a minute.
00:18:20 Speaker 3
It's something weird that happened that we kind of both shared so.
00:18:21
Thanks.
00:18:26 Speaker 3
We were both in the living room and I was just sitting in my chair.
00:18:31 Speaker 3
Don't know reading a book or on my phone or something.
00:18:33 Speaker 3
Don't.
00:18:35 Speaker 3
And I heard this like pop right above my.
00:18:39 Speaker 3
It was like a pop of I don't even know how to describe it like an energy bubble just popped above my head and he heard it too. And we're like.
00:18:47 Speaker 3
What's that?
00:18:49
100.
00:18:49 Speaker 3
Still haven't explained that.
00:18:51 Speaker 3
It's so bizarre, but I mean over the years he's definitely like, he fully accepts it now and it's like, you know, yeah, this this stuff exists.
00:19:01 Speaker 3
Kind of went from like, yeah, I don't know if anything.
00:19:04 Speaker 3
Is really out there after we die or whatever to now it's like he definitely accepts it.
00:19:09 Natashia Mack
Oh, I'm so happy to hear that like.
00:19:13 Natashia Mack
Like. Yeah, that's really good to know, especially because it's something that really started to flourish after you guys got married.
00:19:21 Penny Guilford
Yeah.
00:19:22 Natashia Mack
Yeah.
00:19:23 Penny Guilford
Nothing like that marriage.
00:19:24 Speaker 3
You marry a completely different person and you've changed together over the years.
00:19:29 Speaker 3
So.
00:19:30 Natashia Mack
Absolutely. Yeah, I can totally relate to that.
00:19:34 Natashia Mack
Yeah, my husband and I are completely different people than who we were when we first got together.
00:19:38 Speaker 3
Right.
00:19:40 Natashia Mack
And he definitely didn't sign up to be.
00:19:41 Penny Guilford
Married to.
00:19:43 Penny Guilford
A medium.
00:19:45 Natashia Mack
But luckily he had his own experiences as a child, like he very vividly recalls his, you know, grandmother who passed on sitting at the foot of his bed.
00:19:56 Natashia Mack
You know, things like that.
00:19:56 Speaker 3
Hmm.
00:19:59 Natashia Mack
And then, of course, there's been times as a grown adult like since me, you know, doing this work.
00:20:06 Natashia Mack
There's a few times where.
00:20:09 Natashia Mack
He had experiences of his own where he's like, OK, how did that just fall?
00:20:14 Natashia Mack
Or he he was in the bathroom one time and a pop can went flying off the counter and he's like.
00:20:24 Penny Guilford
Oh, not today, not today.
00:20:29 Natashia Mack
So yeah, he's had experiences like that and. And yeah, luckily he's he's.
00:20:34 Natashia Mack
With it.
00:20:35 Natashia Mack
So I'm always just so.
00:20:36 Natashia Mack
You know how it is for other people.
00:20:38 Natashia Mack
So I know not everyone is open or accepting of it, and obviously it's very human to be.
00:20:43 Penny Guilford
Mm.
00:20:45 Natashia Mack
After call until you've had your own experiences.
00:20:50 Natashia Mack
I love that.
00:20:52 Natashia Mack
He had his own experience and he was able to kind of come to those realizations on his own.
00:20:59 Natashia Mack
Yeah, that's really cool.
00:21:01 Speaker 3
And I think it's good to have some skepticism because, you know, there are people out there that fake stuff or try to get money or, you know, there's so many idiot scammers out there that you, you have to be discerning.
00:21:14 Natashia Mack
Absolutely. Discernment is so healthy to have, and it's so good to have, so I'm glad that you, you know, mentioned that too. I completely agree.
00:21:24 Penny Guilford
Uh.
00:21:26 Natashia Mack
It actually.
00:21:29 Natashia Mack
Like even though I knew.
00:21:32 Natashia Mack
He believed I was so afraid of having him at one of my group events for the longest time he actually just came to one of mine for the very first time last year and it was. It was really, really cool and I find it so nice having.
00:21:51 Natashia Mack
I don't know why I'm sharing this.
00:21:52 Natashia Mack
I find male energy at group events is really nice too. 'cause. I find it's like so much more grounding.
00:21:58 Natashia Mack
It's like just full of women.
00:22:00 Penny Guilford
Yeah.
00:22:02 Penny Guilford
Right.
00:22:02 Natashia Mack
Yeah. So he did come to 1, and it actually turned out so nice and it was.
00:22:09 Natashia Mack
It was nice to be able to share that with him, you know, and see that, oh, he is very accepting of it and.
00:22:11
Mm.
00:22:16 Natashia Mack
You know, open.
00:22:18 Natashia Mack
I'm sure that's a vulnerable thing for for.
00:22:21 Natashia Mack
Husband to do.
00:22:23 Speaker 3
Oh, it's.
00:22:24 Speaker 3
My wife just speaks to the dead.
00:22:25 Penny Guilford
Yeah, yeah, it's totally, totally normal.
00:22:29 Penny Guilford
And the other thing is like.
00:22:30 Natashia Mack
He's not spiritual at all.
00:22:31
Like.
00:22:32 Speaker 3
Yeah.
00:22:33 Natashia Mack
He doesn't have, you know, and not that this is a a bad.
00:22:38 Natashia Mack
I'm just saying, like, you know, he doesn't have his own personal relationship with God or the creator.
00:22:44 Natashia Mack
Mm.
00:22:45 Natashia Mack
And you know, he didn't grow up religious or anything like that.
00:22:49 Natashia Mack
So we're very, very different when it comes to that. But it was cool that he still, you know, supportive and.
00:22:57 Speaker 3
Yeah.
00:22:58 Natashia Mack
So yeah, anyways, now I feel like I'm going on a tangent, but.
00:23:01 Penny Guilford
Listen.
00:23:03 Natashia Mack
So, OK, what was the other thing that I wanted to share?
00:23:10 Natashia Mack
Or ask you.
00:23:12 Speaker 3
Oh our.
00:23:14 Natashia Mack
Are any of your kids highly sensitive?
00:23:17 Natashia Mack
Have you noticed similarities between what you experienced and then it happening with your kids as well?
00:23:27 Speaker 3
Yeah. So I have two daughters. They're.
00:23:31 Speaker 3
Oh my God. How old are 8:00 and 6:00?
00:23:34 Penny Guilford
Touch me with all four. I'm like.
00:23:39
So.
00:23:41 Speaker 3
My oldest, Lydia. She's. I mean, they're both sensitive, but she's definitely sensitive. If you follow astrology at all.
00:23:51 Speaker 3
Scorpio Moon and Scorpio rising. So.
00:23:55 Penny Guilford
Oh my God.
00:23:55 Speaker 3
Lots of Scorpio energy.
00:23:59
But.
00:23:59 Natashia Mack
Wait, is she October, Scorpio or November?
00:24:03 Natashia Mack
Cause I've noticed such a huge difference between October and November.
00:24:08 Speaker 3
No, she was born in May. So she's Gemini's son.
00:24:10 Natashia Mack
Oh, sorry. OK.
00:24:11 Speaker 3
But her her writing and moon are both Scorpio.
00:24:14 Natashia Mack
Right. OK.
00:24:15 Natashia Mack
That's what you said, yes?
00:24:18
It's.
00:24:19
Funny.
00:24:19 Speaker 3
I do have a lot of like Scorpio friends.
00:24:22
Oh.
00:24:24 Speaker 3
But yeah, I've noticed with her.
00:24:27 Speaker 3
She's very.
00:24:29 Speaker 3
Sensitive, like emotion wise, and like picking up energy like sometimes she'll say things that I'm like, who told you to say that?
00:24:38 Speaker 3
You know, it just sounds very.
00:24:41 Speaker 3
It just sounds like somebody is talking through.
00:24:45 Speaker 3
Not in a creepy way, but you know, like the.
00:24:48 Penny Guilford
Seeds been planted in her brain.
00:24:50 Penny Guilford
Yes.
00:24:52 Speaker 3
I don't just remember the thing, she says.
00:24:54 Speaker 3
Like.
00:24:55 Speaker 3
I think that's, you know, my spirit. People on the other side relaying a message to me through her.
00:25:02 Speaker 3
But she.
00:25:05 Speaker 3
She was scared of the dark for a long time and talked about, you know, seeing shadows in her room and lights and things.
00:25:11 Speaker 3
I think she also probably experienced things like I did at her age.
00:25:17 Speaker 3
My youngest doesn't talk about it as much, but I think she also.
00:25:24 Speaker 3
Is sensitive.
00:25:26 Natashia Mack
OK. Yeah.
00:25:29 Natashia Mack
The being scared of the dark thing is such a common theme with highly sensitive people. Wow.
00:25:34 Speaker 3
Mm.
00:25:37 Natashia Mack
I could relate to that very much so.
00:25:40 Speaker 3
I know one thing that Lydia said when she was I think she was three at the.
00:25:46 Speaker 3
Which just always stuck with me.
00:25:47 Speaker 3
It was creepy, but.
00:25:51 Speaker 3
He has this.
00:25:52 Speaker 3
Birthmark on the back of her neck. She told me when she was three. That a long time ago she was a Princess.
00:26:01 Speaker 3
Was a different color and they chopped her head off. I'm like.
00:26:05 Penny Guilford
Oh.
00:26:07 Speaker 3
Excuse me.
00:26:11 Penny Guilford
Creepy. Yes, I have, like, painful goosebumps.
00:26:20 Penny Guilford
Oh wow.
00:26:21 Natashia Mack
Wow. Wow.
00:26:24 Natashia Mack
It is so fascinating to me when children remember other lifetimes like.
00:26:32 Natashia Mack
I'm like a nerd for that video on YouTube, I've watched like three times about this. This woman, her life's work.
00:26:34
This yeah.
00:26:40 Natashia Mack
Is is coming is like about.
00:26:43 Natashia Mack
Supporting kids who remember their traumatic past lives and like helping them through that and connecting dots from like.
00:26:52 Natashia Mack
To real people who who lived like before, these kids were even born. And like it's so anyways.
00:26:57 Penny Guilford
If you ever.
00:26:59 Natashia Mack
To watch it, I'll have to send it to you.
00:27:02 Speaker 3
Yeah.
00:27:03 Natashia Mack
It's just so cool to watch anyways.
00:27:08 Natashia Mack
That's amazing.
00:27:09 Natashia Mack
Also, so creepy 'cause she was 3.
00:27:14 Penny Guilford
And then did you?
00:27:15 Penny Guilford
You know about people getting their.
00:27:16 Penny Guilford
Cut off.
00:27:16 Speaker 3
You were three years old.
00:27:18 Natashia Mack
Whoa. I.
00:27:19 Natashia Mack
And like the whole birthmark thing too.
00:27:22 Natashia Mack
Like.
00:27:23 Penny Guilford
Mm.
00:27:25 Natashia Mack
Gives me the the willies like you know.
00:27:29 Natashia Mack
And did you find when she turned 4, that started dwindling down a little bit or no it did.
00:27:36 Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, I mean she.
00:27:39 Speaker 3
She still will talk about seeing like lights and shadows and stuff, but I feel like I feel like 4 is like a turning point.
00:27:39
'S.
00:27:46 Natashia Mack
Yes.
00:27:46 Speaker 3
I don't know if they start forgetting things before and it starts at all.
00:27:51 Speaker 3
Door starts to close a little bit.
00:27:53 Natashia Mack
Yes.
00:27:54 Speaker 3
Yeah.
00:27:56 Natashia Mack
Yeah. Because when they when they come, I'm sure you already know.
00:27:59 Natashia Mack
But like for those listening who are curious 'cause like I said 4 because that's exactly what starts to happen.
00:28:08 Natashia Mack
You know when they're when they're born, they're the closest things to heaven, right?
00:28:13 Natashia Mack
They're fresh from the other side, and then it seems like.
00:28:18 Natashia Mack
And then yeah, leading up to four, they're so connected.
00:28:22 Natashia Mack
They're so.
00:28:23 Natashia Mack
They're so innocent. Like it's just they vibrate so high. And then as they turn 4, it's like it starts to dwindle a bit.
00:28:25
Yeah.
00:28:35 Natashia Mack
Specifically.
00:28:38 Natashia Mack
Well.
00:28:38 Natashia Mack
All my kids have had.
00:28:39 Natashia Mack
They've all seen either orbs or they've seen, you know, spirit.
00:28:44 Natashia Mack
Been little messengers, things like that.
00:28:47 Natashia Mack
Which is so like freaky when.
00:28:50 Penny Guilford
I.
00:28:55 Natashia Mack
Penny. She used to be such a little.
00:28:59 Natashia Mack
Like like how you describe the things that she would say is like, who told you to say that?
00:29:06 Natashia Mack
I don't understand how that came out of a three-year old's mouth, you know.
00:29:06 Penny Guilford
Yeah.
00:29:12 Natashia Mack
And so she was in daycare.
00:29:16 Natashia Mack
When you know before she started school, 'cause, that's when I was really starting to, like, do readings during the day and things like that and.
00:29:24 Natashia Mack
There was this one day she got home from daycare.
00:29:28 Natashia Mack
And we had this coloring book that had these, like, inspirational quotes in it.
00:29:33 Natashia Mack
And she colored this one specific page.
00:29:36 Natashia Mack
She ripped it out and she said she had to give it to one of the girls at daycare.
00:29:43 Natashia Mack
Like like one of the workers.
00:29:45 Natashia Mack
And I was.
00:29:46 Natashia Mack
Oh, that's so sweet. You colored her a.
00:29:48 Natashia Mack
Like not thinking you know anyways, but it was something about.
00:29:49
Uh.
00:29:55 Natashia Mack
Her path, and like it was just like one of those those positive affirmations about, like, following your heart or growth, whatever.
00:30:06 Natashia Mack
I can't even remember, so I'm butchering it. Of course, naturally, but.
00:30:11 Natashia Mack
Anyway, so she gave that to her. A daycare the next day, and it turned out that.
00:30:19 Natashia Mack
The worker really needed that message.
00:30:22 Natashia Mack
Like she really needed it because she ended up getting a job somewhere else that was going to be better for her, but she needed to know that it was OK to, like, move on from where she was to where she was going.
00:30:34 Natashia Mack
And it was just like a message about her being supported, you know.
00:30:37 Penny Guilford
And it's just like.
00:30:38
Yeah.
00:30:39 Natashia Mack
How can you make that **** out?
00:30:41 Speaker 3
Right.
00:30:42 Natashia Mack
Right. And there's this other time.
00:30:46 Natashia Mack
Where I was asking for a.
00:30:48 Natashia Mack
You know when you're asking for a sign and you're like, OK, if I meant to do this, show me this. If I meant to do that, show me this.
00:30:54 Natashia Mack
Well, this one time I did that, but with feathers, I said OK, if I meant to do this like show me feathers and.
00:31:04 Natashia Mack
She or sorry.
00:31:05 Natashia Mack
And then I kind of left it.
00:31:06 Natashia Mack
I surrendered it and I just kind of went on with my day and.
00:31:12 Natashia Mack
I remember I was like, getting the van ready be cut back when I had a van.
00:31:19 Natashia Mack
Oh, my God. Sorry I'm so squirrely right now.
00:31:25 Natashia Mack
There we go.
00:31:26 Penny Guilford
Yeah.
00:31:28 Natashia Mack
All of a sudden, penny runs outside.
00:31:32 Natashia Mack
Holding like two or three dream catchers.
00:31:35 Natashia Mack
And she's like here.
00:31:37 Natashia Mack
Like I found this like this is for you.
00:31:42 Penny Guilford
What the ****?
00:31:42 Penny Guilford
First of all, where do you even get?
00:31:44 Penny Guilford
I didn't even know we had that many dream catchers.
00:31:47 Penny Guilford
Like why are?
00:31:47 Natashia Mack
You carrying me a pile of feathers like you know, I just blew my mind.
00:31:52
Yeah.
00:31:53 Natashia Mack
Those things have happened so many freaking times.
00:31:58 Natashia Mack
Yeah. And then the past life thing, I I would say my third had the most past life memories. He literally.
00:32:09 Natashia Mack
Used to ask us to bring him to his other dad.
00:32:14 Penny Guilford
None.
00:32:14 Natashia Mack
Yeah, I know. Like he would.
00:32:17 Penny Guilford
He was often, and we'd be like, no.
00:32:20 Penny Guilford
Swear this is your dad.
00:32:23 Penny Guilford
This is your dad.
00:32:24 Penny Guilford
This is your real dad.
00:32:25 Natashia Mack
No, my other dad.
00:32:27 Natashia Mack
I'm like, I don't know.
00:32:28 Penny Guilford
What he's talking about?
00:32:30 Penny Guilford
But.
00:32:30 Natashia Mack
He was so adamant, like he was just so sure.
00:32:37 Natashia Mack
That he had.
00:32:38 Natashia Mack
Another dad, like he wanted to go see his other dad, and it was so hard sometimes, like explaining that to someone who.
00:32:49 Natashia Mack
I don't.
00:32:50 Natashia Mack
It's like he wasn't fully grounded here yet, but you know, like that's what it felt like. 'cause. There was times where he'd also talk about his other home. His other family, like, or his friends and.
00:32:53
Mm.
00:33:02 Natashia Mack
He.
00:33:03 Natashia Mack
Cry and get so upset 'cause he wanted to go.
00:33:07 Natashia Mack
These people that I had no idea who they were, you know?
00:33:11 Speaker 3
Yeah.
00:33:12 Natashia Mack
Yeah, it's just wild being a mom, being a mom in general is like the hardest job in the world. But then.
00:33:15
Yeah.
00:33:20 Natashia Mack
You have a child who's so highly sensitive and remembering past lifetimes, and you're like, OK.
00:33:26 Natashia Mack
I didn't.
00:33:27 Natashia Mack
Up for this, but this is great.
00:33:30 Natashia Mack
So scary.
00:33:31 Natashia Mack
Anyways.
00:33:32 Speaker 3
You know, I try to like.
00:33:34 Speaker 3
Anytime my kids come to me with some weird story or whatever, I try to like nurture that cause, you know, I was shutting out a lot. Like, you know, I grew up in a religious house and it's like, oh, no, it's it's nothing or whatever.
00:33:48 Speaker 3
So I try to.
00:33:51 Speaker 3
Validate.
00:33:51 Speaker 3
Make them or make them feel.
00:33:53 Speaker 3
I guess really because.
00:33:56 Speaker 3
I mean, when you get shot down yourself so many times, you start doubting yourself.
00:34:00 Natashia Mack
Literally.
00:34:00 Speaker 3
Like yeah, like, am I really experiencing.
00:34:03 Speaker 3
Is this really happens like you gaslight yourself? Yes, exactly.
00:34:09 Natashia Mack
I love that you validate them.
00:34:11 Natashia Mack
So important.
00:34:14 Natashia Mack
So so important.
00:34:15 Natashia Mack
Like you said, you kind of when you're not being validated and when.
00:34:19 Natashia Mack
You're constantly being shut.
00:34:21 Natashia Mack
You grow up to be an adult who doesn't trust their intuition or their right, their natural instincts and things like that.
00:34:25 Speaker 3
Right.
00:34:29 Natashia Mack
I totally experienced that.
00:34:31 Natashia Mack
So it's like, of course God would give me 4 highly sensitive children.
00:34:36 Penny Guilford
So that I could learn.
00:34:40 Natashia Mack
You know.
00:34:41 Natashia Mack
Learn so much, of course, but also guide them in the way that I wish I could have been guided. Or, you know, I was kind of the only one in my family who was having these.
00:34:53 Natashia Mack
Sorry, not not the only one.
00:34:56 Natashia Mack
My my older sister step. She is into all the stuff that you were talking about, like the the demonology books and like all that stuff.
00:35:03 Natashia Mack
My God, the.
00:35:04 Natashia Mack
All this like exorcism stuff and I.
00:35:06 Penny Guilford
Really. No. No, no. Like, so scared.
00:35:08 Penny Guilford
Yeah, she was into all that.
00:35:11 Natashia Mack
And she definitely had experiences.
00:35:13 Natashia Mack
But yeah, growing up, you know, and religious.
00:35:17 Natashia Mack
My grandfather, being a Deacon, like going to church every Sunday and everything.
00:35:22 Natashia Mack
There's just things that felt like.
00:35:25 Natashia Mack
I obviously couldn't get like answers for or even too scared to talk about 'cause. No one else was talking about it.
00:35:33 Natashia Mack
Things like that or you do bring up certain things, and again, you're kind of getting shut down and things like that, maybe because they just didn't know.
00:35:42 Natashia Mack
How to how to deal with it you know?
00:35:47 Natashia Mack
Anyways.
00:35:49 Natashia Mack
For the.
00:35:49 Speaker 3
It's like in religion, especially you're taught.
00:35:52 Speaker 3
It's all of the devil.
00:35:53 Speaker 3
It's all demons and evil and wonder like, and I like. No, it's really not though.
00:36:00 Speaker 3
I mean the work I do is of God.
00:36:04 Speaker 3
Know all these connections and things.
00:36:07 Speaker 3
It's like it's not evil at all.
00:36:09 Natashia Mack
Exactly, I completely agree.
00:36:12 Natashia Mack
I see how God works through all of these experiences and the healing that takes place is just.
00:36:22 Natashia Mack
It's just insane.
00:36:24 Natashia Mack
It's incredible. And you know, as a medium just.
00:36:24 Speaker 3
Yeah.
00:36:27 Natashia Mack
Like.
00:36:29 Natashia Mack
The closure it brings the peace it brings.
00:36:31
Mm.
00:36:34 Natashia Mack
I've noticed.
00:36:38 Natashia Mack
Like.
00:36:41 Natashia Mack
Yeah, I have to say when.
00:36:45 Natashia Mack
The there's been a few readings I've done for men.
00:36:49 Natashia Mack
Where they.
00:36:52 Natashia Mack
You know how much men carry like, yes, women. We carry a lot.
00:36:56 Natashia Mack
I mean, I find men have a tendency to really hold.
00:37:02 Natashia Mack
On to so much. And they hold it in like they don't talk about those things with their buddies or whatever. Like they and then they blow up.
00:37:10 Natashia Mack
You know, whatever.
00:37:11 Natashia Mack
So anyways, there's been a few readings I've done with men.
00:37:16 Natashia Mack
Where the this the readings were just so incredible.
00:37:22 Natashia Mack
That and there's so many tears and so much relief and closure, whatever but that.
00:37:30 Natashia Mack
Like those moments?
00:37:31 Natashia Mack
Is what made me realize not realize, but what's the word?
00:37:36 Natashia Mack
Solidified the belief that like.
00:37:40 Natashia Mack
God is part of this.
00:37:42 Speaker 3
Yeah.
00:37:42 Natashia Mack
There's no way in hell.
00:37:49 Natashia Mack
That this is like an evil thing. There can't.
00:37:52 Natashia Mack
Can't be there's no way.
00:37:53 Speaker 3
Yeah, there's so much healing and closure in mediumship sessions that it's like, I don't understand how people can see it as anything but good, you know?
00:38:05 Natashia Mack
Yeah. Have you ever seen that?
00:38:09 Natashia Mack
There was a video going.
00:38:12 Natashia Mack
Going around on Instagram like I know you love memes too, and you love like funny videos.
00:38:18 Natashia Mack
My God, there's this medium.
00:38:19 Natashia Mack
Think it was Sean.
00:38:23 Natashia Mack
So Sean Connery is that his name?
00:38:25 Natashia Mack
Anyways, there's a medium I think he's in the UK or something, but he he did like a funny reel of like pretending to be a demon and.
00:38:37 Natashia Mack
Saying like, you know what I'm gonna do today? I'm gonna like.
00:38:42 Natashia Mack
Like speak through a medium and I'm gonna.
00:38:46 Natashia Mack
Say all of these wonderful, beautiful things that are just.
00:38:49 Penny Guilford
So much healing and.
00:38:52 Penny Guilford
That's that's what I'm.
00:38:53 Penny Guilford
Do today.
00:38:57 Natashia Mack
And the video just cracked me up so much.
00:39:00 Natashia Mack
Oh my God, I'm so, you know, I shared a moment or.
00:39:04 Natashia Mack
Shared about.
00:39:08 Natashia Mack
You know how I have those moments and or sorry, it was my readings with with men that really helped solidify that in me.
00:39:16 Natashia Mack
I'm curious if there was like a moment not to put you on the spot, but if there's a moment or some moments for you where that just kind of really solidified it for you.
00:39:28 Speaker 3
I'll say when I had a reading done for myself, not.
00:39:32 Speaker 3
That I did.
00:39:33 Speaker 3
In 2020, with this medium.
00:39:36 Speaker 3
Her name is Jenny Michelle.
00:39:37 Speaker 3
Amazing.
00:39:39 Natashia Mack
Oh, I'll check her out.
00:39:40
But.
00:39:41 Speaker 3
All these names.
00:39:42 Speaker 3
All this stuff like it, like, blew my mind.
00:39:46 Speaker 3
I've never had a reading like that.
00:39:48 Speaker 3
Incredible, but.
00:39:52 Speaker 3
That was like I always knew that there was more, but that kind of like solidified to me like.
00:39:59 Speaker 3
The shit's real.
00:40:01 Speaker 3
Like there's no way.
00:40:03 Speaker 3
Anybody could have any of this up like that?
00:40:06 Speaker 3
No amount of like Googling or.
00:40:07 Speaker 3
Like you can't find that stuff, you know? And that's really what you know.
00:40:14 Speaker 3
It for.
00:40:14 Speaker 3
And then I was doing it myself and getting things right. And I'm just like, OK, so I'm not making this stuff up.
00:40:20 Speaker 3
It is real, it is happening.
00:40:24 Natashia Mack
Exactly.
00:40:26
Well.
00:40:30 Natashia Mack
Yeah, I love that.
00:40:31 Natashia Mack
Trying to think.
00:40:36 Natashia Mack
I don't know if I've had if I've personally experienced a reading like that yet.
00:40:43 Natashia Mack
I know that sounds so.
00:40:45 Natashia Mack
I've had, like so many readings, I've had a lot of people like practice on me and whatever, but I haven't had, like, my own personal.
00:40:55 Natashia Mack
I'm trying to recall now. 'cause. I'm like. Oh, no, I better.
00:40:58 Natashia Mack
I better like make sure I'm being truthful here, but yeah, I don't think I've like paid for a session and like sat and.
00:41:09 Natashia Mack
Had like this super mind blowing experience yet, I really hope to someday.
00:41:14
Mm.
00:41:17 Natashia Mack
And especially now to that, you know my my Mama and my Papa, like my grandparents, have passed on.
00:41:26 Natashia Mack
But I'm hoping that someday I'll be like, OK.
00:41:29 Natashia Mack
The medium for me.
00:41:30 Natashia Mack
Whatever you know.
00:41:31
Yeah.
00:41:33 Natashia Mack
I've heard Danielle say.
00:41:36 Natashia Mack
I think that's how you say her last name, Squamish Medium.
00:41:39 Natashia Mack
Heard her talk about.
00:41:43 Natashia Mack
Oh my God.
00:41:43 Natashia Mack
Indigenous medium Sean Leonard she.
00:41:46 Natashia Mack
That was the most accurate reading that she's ever had.
00:41:50 Natashia Mack
Are you familiar with him?
00:41:53 Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:56 Speaker 3
But I think he has a book.
00:41:57 Speaker 3
Now, doesn't he? Yeah.
00:41:57 Natashia Mack
Yeah, he does.
00:42:00 Natashia Mack
Yeah, I left.
00:42:00 Speaker 3
I've seen from a pic like stuff on Facebook and I don't have the channel down here in America, so I can't watch a show but.
00:42:08 Penny Guilford
What the heck?
00:42:10 Penny Guilford
You guys don't get APTN.
00:42:14 Natashia Mack
Oh, that's too bad.
00:42:16 Natashia Mack
Yeah, I once travelled to Thunder Bay, which is 12 hours from where I live to go see him live.
00:42:25
Oh wow.
00:42:26 Natashia Mack
My tailbone still has not recovered from that.
00:42:28 Penny Guilford
Trip.
00:42:31 Natashia Mack
But yeah, he was really good. I find his thing is like names. Like, if you're someone who wants to like.
00:42:39 Natashia Mack
See someone share names 100% accurately holy **** like.
00:42:46 Natashia Mack
I wish like that's why.
00:42:48 Penny Guilford
Right.
00:42:49 Natashia Mack
Yeah, it's.
00:42:50 Natashia Mack
He'd be like I have a.
00:42:52 Natashia Mack
Cheryl and Susanna, with me. And then someone would raise their hand, and then he would, like, go on with the.
00:43:00 Natashia Mack
And I'm like, what the ****?
00:43:03 Speaker 3
I'm lucky if I can get a name.
00:43:06 Speaker 3
You know name, but I think so something.
00:43:06 Penny Guilford
Oh, heart.
00:43:09 Speaker 3
I've read and kind of developed to be true to myself is like the way we communicate personally, like in our lives is like how?
00:43:20 Penny Guilford
Yeah.
00:43:20 Speaker 3
Do.
00:43:21 Speaker 3
And at names like I will forget in two seconds what your name.
00:43:26 Speaker 3
You just told me.
00:43:28 Speaker 3
So it makes sense, but I would not get names.
00:43:32 Speaker 3
It's easy to talk to dead people than it is live people so.
00:43:36 Natashia Mack
Actually though it it is.
00:43:38 Speaker 3
It's a whole other language.
00:43:40 Speaker 3
Because they're showing you.
00:43:41
Like.
00:43:42 Speaker 3
These pictures in your head and you're like, OK.
00:43:45 Speaker 3
What?
00:43:45 Speaker 3
What does that?
00:43:46 Speaker 3
You know I have no.
00:43:47 Speaker 3
So you just have to say what?
00:43:50 Speaker 3
What you're seeing, and it might be something completely different than what you.
00:43:54 Speaker 3
So it's like you can't interpret these symbols, you have to just say them like, OK, at the farm or you know.
00:44:00 Speaker 3
I mean like it.
00:44:00
Yeah.
00:44:03 Natashia Mack
Exactly.
00:44:06 Natashia Mack
Yeah, OK, my my mind just went blank, but I just thought.
00:44:14 Natashia Mack
I'd love if you could share.
00:44:18 Natashia Mack
A couple stories now, like the one that you sent in, and if you have another one.
00:44:23 Penny Guilford
The worst?
00:44:23 Penny Guilford
That was OK.
00:44:25 Natashia Mack
It's about the bird in the window, the bird going into the window.
00:44:27 Penny Guilford
And.
00:44:28 Natashia Mack
Know it was a long time ago.
00:44:31 Speaker 3
OK. Yeah.
00:44:35 Speaker 3
So my mom passed away from cancer in 2021.
00:44:40 Speaker 3
And.
00:44:42 Speaker 3
I took a couple weeks off work after that.
00:44:46
Run.
00:44:46 Speaker 3
So it was a little while between, you know, when she died, to when the funeral was. And I just needed time.
00:44:52 Speaker 3
So I was at home by myself.
00:44:56 Speaker 3
Kids were in.
00:44:58 Speaker 3
I think they were still in daycare at the time. Maybe school.
00:45:00 Speaker 3
Can't remember what is what is years.
00:45:05 Penny Guilford
Actually though.
00:45:07 Speaker 3
So I was home by.
00:45:09 Speaker 3
Just watching whatever stupid TV show and a friend of mine had made.
00:45:16 Speaker 3
Enchiladas for me 'cause. She made a couple like meal prep type things for me. 'cause. You know, that's what you do when somebody.
00:45:21 Speaker 3
You make them food.
00:45:22 Natashia Mack
Of course.
00:45:22 Speaker 3
So I had it in the oven.
00:45:26 Speaker 3
Was like.
00:45:27 Speaker 3
We'll just do this for dinner tonight.
00:45:29 Speaker 3
And you know, I'm just sitting there watching my show, not paying attention anything.
00:45:34 Speaker 3
And this bird. So we have this, like, huge window in our living room. It's like a big arch window.
00:45:41 Speaker 3
This bird.
00:45:42 Speaker 3
Flies into the window and I'm like.
00:45:46 Speaker 3
You OK?
00:45:48 Penny Guilford
I went outside to check on it.
00:45:49 Speaker 3
I didn't see it, so it must've.
00:45:51 Speaker 3
You know, gone and flown off. Whatever.
00:45:55 Speaker 3
But I was like.
00:45:56 Speaker 3
Well, I'm up now, so let me go check on these enchiladas.
00:46:00 Speaker 3
I open the oven door and it is on fire.
00:46:07 Penny Guilford
Enchilada.
00:46:09 Penny Guilford
Hello.
00:46:10 Speaker 3
Apparently something was wrong with the.
00:46:12 Speaker 3
We had to get a completely new oven after that or something along with the heating element. I don't know, but of course dumb me.
00:46:17 Speaker 3
Don't have any kind of fire extinguisher or anything.
00:46:20 Speaker 3
So I'm getting like filling up a bowl of water and like throwing water into my oven.
00:46:27 Penny Guilford
But.
00:46:28 Speaker 3
No, the smoke alarm.
00:46:29 Speaker 3
Go off and I'm like if I would have sat there.
00:46:32 Speaker 3
And kept watching this stupid show. I could have burned my whole house down and not even known it. So for me, so my mom, she always sends me dragonflies and birds.
00:46:42 Speaker 3
To me, that was my mom saying get your *** out of the chair and check on this burning food.
00:46:51 Penny Guilford
I love that.
00:46:52 Natashia Mack
I love that she's still telling you what to.
00:46:53 Penny Guilford
Do even on the other side.
00:46:57 Penny Guilford
What the hell you doing?
00:46:59 Penny Guilford
Get your *** up.
00:47:00 Natashia Mack
I love that. Oh, it's.
00:47:05 Natashia Mack
Yeah.
00:47:06 Natashia Mack
How much our loved one could support us?
00:47:10 Natashia Mack
From the other side like.
00:47:14 Natashia Mack
Just insane.
00:47:18 Natashia Mack
Yeah.
00:47:20 Natashia Mack
The was it last week.
00:47:23 Natashia Mack
You probably saw this.
00:47:25 Natashia Mack
And I don't think I talked about it on here because.
00:47:29 Natashia Mack
This was, yeah, yeah.
00:47:31 Natashia Mack
This just happened.
00:47:32 Natashia Mack
The juicy fruit story.
00:47:37 Natashia Mack
Yeah.
00:47:38 Natashia Mack
Oh my God, it's a terrible.
00:47:39 Natashia Mack
Also, my brain is still recovering from all the anesthesia I was under and everything, so it's just a little bit.
00:47:45
And.
00:47:46 Natashia Mack
Anyways, OK.
00:47:48 Natashia Mack
Again, the other day before going to a big appointment to the the Cancer Center.
00:47:58 Natashia Mack
I I had to go into my medicine cabinet.
00:48:01 Natashia Mack
I think I was looking for the thermometer for my kid.
00:48:02
To.
00:48:04 Natashia Mack
So I open it up.
00:48:06 Natashia Mack
And I moved a couple things around, but there was.
00:48:09 Natashia Mack
A pack of.
00:48:10 Natashia Mack
Like unopened, juicy fried gum that I had literally never seen before.
00:48:15 Natashia Mack
We don't eat juicy fruga like we don't buy.
00:48:18 Natashia Mack
Like I don't know where this would have came from, but I was like.
00:48:21 Natashia Mack
That's.
00:48:22 Natashia Mack
And it made me think right away of my paternal grandfather, who's passed on.
00:48:28 Natashia Mack
He loved juicy fruit gum and that was like that was like his thing.
00:48:32 Natashia Mack
He always had gums 'cause. He was a smoker and everything too, so he always popped a gum in his mouth afterwards and he would give us a stick of gum. You know, his juicy fruit, whatever.
00:48:41 Natashia Mack
Anyways, saw that thought of him, but I just kind of, you know, mourning, getting ready with your kids and everything is like a whole.
00:48:49 Natashia Mack
Thing. So I would, yeah, just pure chaos, basically.
00:48:54 Natashia Mack
So yeah, I just like I I went into my.
00:48:56 Natashia Mack
I can't remember why, and my husband then walked into my room holding the pack of juicy fruit, and he's like, why is there a pack of juicy fruit in the medicine cabinet?
00:49:08 Natashia Mack
And I was like, yeah, I don't know.
00:49:10 Natashia Mack
I noticed that that's weird.
00:49:12 Natashia Mack
He's like also, it's from 2010.
00:49:16 Natashia Mack
I was like what?
00:49:19 Penny Guilford
Like, what do you mean?
00:49:21 Penny Guilford
And he shows.
00:49:21 Natashia Mack
Me. The date on it and literally says 2010.
00:49:24 Natashia Mack
Was like. That's so *******.
00:49:26 Natashia Mack
Like, how is that and in my mind, I'm like, OK, we've moved.
00:49:32 Natashia Mack
We've moved cities like that's older than my second oldest kid.
00:49:36 Natashia Mack
Like we.
00:49:37 Natashia Mack
We've moved several homes since 2010.
00:49:42 Natashia Mack
I clean that medicine cabinet many times, like it doesn't make any.
00:49:47 Natashia Mack
I'm gaslighting.
00:49:48 Natashia Mack
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
00:49:49 Penny Guilford
Yeah.
00:49:52 Natashia Mack
Anyway, so then you know, we're driving to my appointment and.
00:49:59 Natashia Mack
I'm messaging my sisters about it and I was like, I wonder when he passed on like I can't remember. And I was like, I know I was 19, OK?
00:50:06 Natashia Mack
Old was.
00:50:07 Natashia Mack
How what year was it when I was 19?
00:50:10 Natashia Mack
He passed in 2010.
00:50:12 Speaker 3
That's crazy.
00:50:14 Penny Guilford
Like what? How how did this happen?
00:50:17 Penny Guilford
You cannot make this **** up, but what?
00:50:20 Natashia Mack
Was so crazy.
00:50:23 Natashia Mack
So that happened that morning, and then the person sitting next to us got called like when I was at my appointment waiting.
00:50:31 Natashia Mack
Specialist and her name was Antoinette, which is my great grandmother's name.
00:50:37 Natashia Mack
Always comes around when like.
00:50:39 Natashia Mack
And.
00:50:40 Natashia Mack
Spiritual emotional support.
00:50:42 Natashia Mack
So I was like, OK, another sign. And I was like, watch. I'm gonna get bad news because everyone is showing up right now, giving me signs showing how supported I am.
00:50:55 Natashia Mack
Sure enough, sure enough, I received news like was heavy.
00:50:55
Oh man.
00:50:59 Natashia Mack
But still really.
00:51:02 Natashia Mack
Also, someone connected the dots for me, they're like.
00:51:08 Natashia Mack
He must be watching over your health or supporting you on your health journey because he he put it in the medicine cabinet. I hadn't even thought of that.
00:51:15 Natashia Mack
I was like.
00:51:17
Yeah.
00:51:18 Natashia Mack
How weird is that?
00:51:20 Speaker 3
That's so weird.
00:51:22 Natashia Mack
Have you ever, like, found something in a place that wasn't supposed to be there? Or, I don't know, have any more stories you want to share?
00:51:30 Speaker 3
None.
00:51:32 Speaker 3
I can't think of anything that I've found.
00:51:33 Speaker 3
Mean I do find.
00:51:35 Speaker 3
Random coins that I think probably a lot of people experience that are feathers or.
00:51:40
Right.
00:51:41 Speaker 3
Well, there was one time, so I don't go to church often. Every once in a while I go to church.
00:51:46 Speaker 3
But you know, my mom was very religious and.
00:51:51 Speaker 3
There was one time that I was at church and they were playing.
00:51:54 Speaker 3
You know, whatever song I remember what the song was, but.
00:51:58 Speaker 3
Like you know, when you're in a reading, you just get that weird feeling in your head that you're not quite here.
00:52:04 Speaker 3
Like I don't know if you feel that too, but.
00:52:08 Speaker 3
So I got that feeling and then I saw like, physically in front of me a white feather like float down from the ceiling. That was like.
00:52:20 Speaker 3
Goosebumps moment.
00:52:22
Oh.
00:52:24 Speaker 3
So that was really cool.
00:52:29 Speaker 3
I guess another tangent I'll go on is like, so you know when you're a kid, you think, oh, these mediums, they're like seeing dead people.
00:52:36 Speaker 3
The time and I guess some people do.
00:52:38 Speaker 3
Right.
00:52:39 Speaker 3
But for me, and again I'm an introvert and not a people.
00:52:44 Speaker 3
So I can go freak me out if I saw dead people all the time, but I have seen like full body apparitions of people before. Like there's one.
00:52:54 Speaker 3
Old man that I've seen like three times in my house and I don't think it's some guy that died here or whatever.
00:53:00 Speaker 3
The people that lived here before us were the first owners and I don't think anybody ever died in this House. But I don't know who he is, but I've seen him three times.
00:53:10 Speaker 3
And it's just randomly. Like one day I was walking out of the bedroom door and, like, right next to the bedroom door is just the end of the hallway. And like, he was right there, like, next to me. And I looked over and course he disappeared. Do you?
00:53:24 Speaker 3
It like out of the corner of your eye.
00:53:26 Speaker 3
And.
00:53:28 Speaker 3
My husband walked down the hallway.
00:53:29 Speaker 3
Like, are you OK?
00:53:32 Speaker 3
Like I literally just saw ghosts.
00:53:35 Penny Guilford
The expression like literally.
00:53:39 Speaker 3
Oh yeah, it's.
00:53:40 Speaker 3
It's just random when I see like full body apparitions of people and.
00:53:46 Speaker 3
I do think it's because.
00:53:48 Speaker 3
I wouldn't want to see people.
00:53:51 Penny Guilford
I think that would be exhausting.
00:53:56 Natashia Mack
I think so too.
00:53:58 Natashia Mack
I I totally agree.
00:53:59 Natashia Mack
I I.
00:54:02 Natashia Mack
Do you feel like he could be connected to your husband?
00:54:06 Speaker 3
I don't know.
00:54:08
I don't know.
00:54:09 Natashia Mack
I just kind of got that bad.
00:54:09 Penny Guilford
Probable he's got like.
00:54:11 Speaker 3
You know, grandparents have passed on and whatever.
00:54:15 Speaker 3
I.
00:54:15 Speaker 3
I don't recognize him, but it's possible.
00:54:18 Speaker 3
He could be connected.
00:54:20 Natashia Mack
That's so interesting.
00:54:21 Natashia Mack
Just how they can just kind of show up and you're like, oh, hey, there you are, you know.
00:54:29 Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:31 Natashia Mack
Or yeah, yeah. Go for it.
00:54:31 Speaker 3
Another.
00:54:34 Speaker 3
You take a sip of water.
00:54:35 Natashia Mack
Oh, good idea.
00:54:36 Natashia Mack
I should do that too.
00:54:38 Speaker 3
I'll go in another tangent.
00:54:42 Speaker 3
So this was like this was also 20/21. It was like a couple months after my mom passed.
00:54:53 Speaker 3
I started getting.
00:54:55 Speaker 3
It was so weird. But like, like sleep paralysis and like, I've never had sleep paralysis in my life.
00:55:03 Speaker 3
So, but it was strange because.
00:55:06 Speaker 3
I was laying there in bed.
00:55:08 Speaker 3
On my side 'cause I was sleep on my.
00:55:10 Speaker 3
And it was like I couldn't move my body and I heard, like this loud, almost like electrical sound. And I was like, am I having a seizure right now?
00:55:22 Speaker 3
'Cause then my whole body started vibrating.
00:55:26 Speaker 3
And I couldn't move and it lasted like I.
00:55:30 Speaker 3
Maybe 30 seconds like it wasn't long, but it freaked me. **** out and I was doing all this research.
00:55:37 Speaker 3
What is happening and this happened to me three times and.
00:55:42 Speaker 3
The third time I saw at the end of it this like.
00:55:48 Speaker 3
Giant.
00:55:50 Speaker 3
Shadow person, like just hovering above my bed.
00:55:54
Oh.
00:55:55 Speaker 3
And of course I couldn't move.
00:55:57 Speaker 3
You can't yell.
00:55:58 Speaker 3
So I said in my brain.
00:56:00 Speaker 3
Was like in the name of Jesus. Leave me.
00:56:04 Penny Guilford
Literally same.
00:56:07 Speaker 3
And it it left and I've never experienced anything like that since and I'm like, was that just sleep paralysis or at the time I was reading a book about this guy who was doing astral projection?
00:56:25 Speaker 3
And I don't know if maybe that triggered something, but I was reading like on this.
00:56:30 Speaker 3
I don't know, but on like Facebook or something, somebody that said when they start to astral project like their entire body just vibrates. And I'm like, was I starting this process and then?
00:56:42 Speaker 3
You know, in the name of Jesus, I made it go away, but it was so strange. Like I've never.
00:56:46 Natashia Mack
Wow.
00:56:48 Penny Guilford
I don't like.
00:56:49 Speaker 3
I don't know what to think of.
00:56:50 Speaker 3
Like.
00:56:50 Speaker 3
I don't know if that was the sleep paralysis or.
00:56:54 Speaker 3
But then again, I asked for it to stop and it stopped and it's never happened since.
00:56:58 Speaker 3
It was just three times over the span of a couple months.
00:57:01 Speaker 3
Just randomly happened.
00:57:03
So.
00:57:04 Natashia Mack
Wow, that like, gave me the chills.
00:57:05
Yeah.
00:57:10 Natashia Mack
Yeah, I'm, like literally the same though. Like in the night, if I get scared or spooked, whatever I I just call up for.
00:57:17 Natashia Mack
And I'm good.
00:57:17 Penny Guilford
He.
00:57:17 Penny Guilford
Like he's he's my man.
00:57:20 Natashia Mack
I know I can count on him.
00:57:24 Penny Guilford
Work like a charm every time.
00:57:26 Penny Guilford
It only works.
00:57:27 Penny Guilford
It does.
00:57:28 Natashia Mack
It does, absolutely.
00:57:30 Natashia Mack
So I love.
00:57:31 Natashia Mack
I love that you shared that and maybe someone needs to hear that too.
00:57:35 Natashia Mack
I I I believe I do have some listeners who experience sleep paralysis, but like don't know.
00:57:42 Natashia Mack
What to do? And you know, obviously you can't really go talk to the doctor about it or if.
00:57:46 Natashia Mack
Do.
00:57:47 Natashia Mack
Mean you can.
00:57:49 Natashia Mack
I'm not saying you can't. I'm just saying.
00:57:52 Natashia Mack
A lot of people probably don't, is what I'm saying.
00:57:54 Speaker 3
It sounds crazy like your body is frozen.
00:57:55 Natashia Mack
It does.
00:57:57 Speaker 3
I was like my whole body was just vibrating and I was hearing this weird sounds like I I really thought I was having a seizure.
00:58:04 Natashia Mack
Wow.
00:58:06 Penny Guilford
It's so bizarre.
00:58:09 Natashia Mack
That is bizarre.
00:58:10 Natashia Mack
I've definitely had moments of like.
00:58:14 Natashia Mack
My body vibrating unexplainably.
00:58:17 Natashia Mack
Well, sorry in the moment I didn't know why.
00:58:22 Natashia Mack
But I was able to connect it to like my vibration just being raised so high that I was physically vibrating.
00:58:36 Natashia Mack
So that's really interesting.
00:58:39 Natashia Mack
You know, just yeah, really makes me wonder. But this one time, you know, on that topic of like your body vibrating. And I probably share this story.
00:58:52 Natashia Mack
This was before I knew I was a medium.
00:58:55 Natashia Mack
My third was a baby at the time, so this would've been in, like 2014. Twenty. Yeah, 2014. Anyway. So we were actually at my grandma's.
00:59:06 Natashia Mack
We were spending the night there, 'cause. We lived from out of town, so we're spending the night there there with her and my pupil were still living at the time.
00:59:15 Natashia Mack
But I remember I was sharing a bed and I was still, but I was sharing a.
00:59:20 Natashia Mack
With my.
00:59:21 Natashia Mack
Baby, at the time, he was like.
00:59:24 Natashia Mack
Almost toddler anyways.
00:59:27 Natashia Mack
And.
00:59:29 Natashia Mack
I don't know if it was a full moon or something that night, but I just like.
00:59:34 Natashia Mack
Had such a hard time sleeping and you know when you're kind of asleep but not really like you just can't sink into a super deep sleep.
00:59:44 Natashia Mack
So that was happening.
00:59:46 Natashia Mack
But then I I remember.
00:59:50 Natashia Mack
My whole body just vibrating and I didn't understand what was happening and I felt like I was making this up at the time.
00:59:59 Natashia Mack
I remember seeing all of my grandma's siblings, who were all dead.
01:00:07 Natashia Mack
Around the bed, like they were just all around the bed.
01:00:08 Speaker 3
Oh wow.
01:00:12 Natashia Mack
And I could hear in my.
01:00:14 Natashia Mack
So This is why like I was gaslighting myself, I was like, there's no way this could be real. Like, this is crazy.
01:00:20 Natashia Mack
Yeah, but now I realize what was happening so I could hear them in my mind saying.
01:00:25 Natashia Mack
Oh my.
01:00:26 Natashia Mack
She looks just like her mom and like, look at that sweet baby like they're having a full blown conversation.
01:00:37
Wow.
01:00:37 Natashia Mack
And I'm here not knowing I'm a media.
01:00:42 Natashia Mack
What is happening like this is so weird and just kind of being out of it. And again my freaking body was just buzzing like vibrating so hard. I don't know how that didn't wake up the baby and.
01:00:56 Natashia Mack
Anyways, at one point I just had to like say it to them. Like OK, if this is real.
01:01:03 Natashia Mack
I really need to go to bed.
01:01:05 Penny Guilford
And I really need like.
01:01:07 Penny Guilford
For coming.
01:01:08 Penny Guilford
Love you guys.
01:01:09 Penny Guilford
Is tired.
01:01:10 Penny Guilford
Goodbye. Like I'm a mom of three.
01:01:14 Natashia Mack
I can really use some sleep before this.
01:01:16 Natashia Mack
Wakes up.
01:01:19 Natashia Mack
You know, please, like, could you guys go away and then it stopped?
01:01:24 Natashia Mack
They.
01:01:24 Natashia Mack
The vibrating stopped and I was able to go to sleep.
01:01:30 Natashia Mack
And then the next morning, I was like, like my grandma. And she, like, was making her, you know, coffee and her toast and whatever.
01:01:37 Natashia Mack
I was like, so grandma.
01:01:41 Natashia Mack
Just was like, I think all of your siblings visited me in the night. I could be crazy.
01:01:47 Natashia Mack
Could maybe maybe it didn't actually happen.
01:01:50 Penny Guilford
But this is what happened.
01:01:54 Natashia Mack
It was so wild, but.
01:01:56 Natashia Mack
Now being a medium I'm I'm like.
01:02:01 Natashia Mack
My vibration was so high because there was like.
01:02:07 Natashia Mack
Loved ones in spirit at the foot of my bed like.
01:02:11 Natashia Mack
I like my energy was responding and reacting to being in their presence or them being in my presence, whatever.
01:02:19 Natashia Mack
So anyways, that's what that made me think of.
01:02:22 Natashia Mack
So crazy.
01:02:22 Speaker 3
Interesting. You bring that up because so Jenny who I mentioned earlier, we're we're friends now. You know, over the years. And I asked her about it one time.
01:02:32 Speaker 3
Was like.
01:02:34 Speaker 3
What the hell was this, like shadow thing over me? And she's like, I think it was Mother Mary and.
01:02:37
Sing.
01:02:43 Speaker 3
Weird. I have such a weird connection with Mother Mary. Like I'm not Catholic or anything, but just have such a connection with her.
01:02:51 Speaker 3
I had another I love getting ratings for myself, but with.
01:02:54
Yeah.
01:02:56 Speaker 3
Oh, Anthony maraca.
01:02:59 Natashia Mack
I love.
01:02:59 Natashia Mack
I love him so much.
01:03:01 Speaker 3
Yes. So I had a reading with.
01:03:02 Speaker 3
I actually have had two both times. He has brought up Mother Mary 'cause. He also has a connection with her and he's like, I think you have this connection with Mother Mary.
01:03:11 Speaker 3
And I think.
01:03:14 Speaker 3
That's so crazy to.
01:03:16 Speaker 3
That something that spiritual high up would visit me. You know what I mean?
01:03:22 Speaker 3
It's so weird to me.
01:03:26 Natashia Mack
You are so worthy of.
01:03:28 Natashia Mack
Oh my God, we we all are.
01:03:31 Natashia Mack
All her children.
01:03:34 Natashia Mack
I have to tell you something really crazy though about that.
01:03:36 Speaker 3
OK.
01:03:37 Natashia Mack
So do you see how the tapestry behind you?
01:03:42 Natashia Mack
Looks like a crown around your head.
01:03:44
Julie.
01:03:45 Natashia Mack
Yes, and the baby blue and everything. I was like like this. Reminds me of Mother Mary.
01:03:53 Penny Guilford
Like I actually thought that in the beginning when we.
01:03:56 Penny Guilford
First got on here.
01:03:59 Natashia Mack
That wild.
01:04:01 Natashia Mack
Wow.
01:04:03 Natashia Mack
That's really cool.
01:04:04 Natashia Mack
OK, wait. Oh, yeah. So if it was Mother Mary hovering above you, that would make sense. Why your vibration?
01:04:11 Penny Guilford
Yeah, I would make sense why I would be vibrating.
01:04:12 Natashia Mack
Was just like insanely high.
01:04:14 Speaker 3
So yeah. Yeah. Thank you for connecting that dot for me.
01:04:16 Natashia Mack
Wow.
01:04:19 Natashia Mack
Yeah, no.
01:04:21 Natashia Mack
And I mean, maybe other people listening have also had that experience where they're just like, Oh my God, like my body.
01:04:27 Natashia Mack
Know why am I like?
01:04:28
Oh.
01:04:30 Speaker 3
And you know when.
01:04:30 Speaker 3
Before I did all the mediumship stuff like.
01:04:34 Speaker 3
I used to have panic attacks a lot, especially my early 20s and teens, and looking back on it now like, yes, I have anxiety, but I also think part of it like if I go into a grocery store, I feel like I want.
01:04:48 Speaker 3
Flip the **** out.
01:04:49 Speaker 3
Because.
01:04:50 Speaker 3
There's so much energy, and I think part of that was I couldn't manage my energy with other people's energy.
01:04:59 Speaker 3
Then there's all the spirit people around them and it's like.
01:05:03 Speaker 3
Everybody's trying to get my attention and I feel like.
01:05:05 Speaker 3
A lot of.
01:05:06 Speaker 3
Former, like anxiety, was actually just spirit, just too much spirit around.
01:05:13 Natashia Mack
Yes. Yes, it's that spirit energy, right? It it does feel like anxiety 100% and like I I talk about that often to people who.
01:05:17
Yeah.
01:05:26 Natashia Mack
Like I I just.
01:05:27 Natashia Mack
I bring it up often, like at my, you know, events and stuff like that, because sometimes that's what it is and that's what I experience.
01:05:34
Yeah.
01:05:34 Natashia Mack
Experience. And when you're in the beginning stages of development, like, have you noticed a difference between now versus when you started out?
01:05:45 Natashia Mack
Almost like it took time for your vibration and your energy to adjust to spirit energy.
01:05:45
Thank you.
01:05:51 Natashia Mack
Have you noticed a big difference?
01:05:54 Speaker 3
Yeah. And I can tell.
01:05:55 Speaker 3
Like what is mine versus what is somebody else?
01:05:59 Natashia Mack
Exactly. And so Can you imagine how many people are walking around not realizing?
01:06:05
It has no idea they.
01:06:06 Penny Guilford
Have no ******* idea.
01:06:08 Natashia Mack
I've had no idea.
01:06:10 Natashia Mack
I had no idea when when I was slowly like.
01:06:10
Yeah.
01:06:15 Natashia Mack
You know when God, when spirit was like working on me to, like, help me realize this path.
01:06:24 Natashia Mack
The amount of anxiety I had it increased tenfold.
01:06:28 Natashia Mack
It's like my sensitivity was literally dialed up to an extreme right after I had my daughter.
01:06:36 Natashia Mack
That was like the big like Catalyst, right?
01:06:40 Natashia Mack
And I was like, Oh my God, I can't go outside anymore.
01:06:44 Natashia Mack
Like I actually planned in my head.
01:06:46 Natashia Mack
I'm gonna not.
01:06:49 Natashia Mack
Go see people anymore because it got to the point where going in the grocery store, if I saw someone I knew.
01:06:56 Natashia Mack
My my brain would just go completely blank like I would have so much.
01:07:02 Natashia Mack
You know, like my body would be buzzing sometimes and I had no idea what was going on.
01:07:07 Natashia Mack
Now I realized like, oh, their loved one was trying to replace my thoughts with.
01:07:12 Natashia Mack
No big deal.
01:07:13 Natashia Mack
It's totally fine. Yeah, but at the time I I was like, this is, I guess this is my life now.
01:07:14 Penny Guilford
Yeah.
01:07:19 Natashia Mack
I'm just gonna.
01:07:20 Natashia Mack
Be.
01:07:21 Natashia Mack
A super anxious, awkward person who like can't be around people.
01:07:27 Natashia Mack
And like, it's so sad because I bet you there are literally people out there who've also decided that for themselves and literally don't realize, like, actually, I'm so highly sensitive and there is a way to work through this.
01:07:34 Speaker 3
Right.
01:07:43 Natashia Mack
There are ways to help yourself through it.
01:07:46 Natashia Mack
Just like we learned right, we learned over time and and like you said, it's better now.
01:07:52 Natashia Mack
Because you know the.
01:07:54 Natashia Mack
But a lot of people do not know the difference and I'm making my mission this year to really teach that and I'm.
01:08:00 Penny Guilford
Really excited about that.
01:08:02 Natashia Mack
Just going to plug that in there because it's it just came through so naturally.
01:08:06 Natashia Mack
Like, yeah, it's it.
01:08:09 Natashia Mack
'S more people need to know that that, like you're not crazy.
01:08:11
Mm.
01:08:14 Natashia Mack
Your anxiety is probably just totally blown up because you're so sensitive to spirit energy, so I'm really glad to be talked about that for sure.
01:08:24 Speaker 3
Yeah.
01:08:28 Natashia Mack
And I want to be mindful.
01:08:29 Natashia Mack
The time 'cause I know we've been haunting.
01:08:31 Natashia Mack
Feel.
01:08:32 Natashia Mack
I feel like we went through.
01:08:33 Natashia Mack
Kind of time portal.
01:08:36 Penny Guilford
Like.
01:08:36 Penny Guilford
How has it been that that?
01:08:37 Natashia Mack
That long?
01:08:38 Natashia Mack
So yeah, let's end it on that note 'cause, I know we could literally talk forever and probably have a million more stories to share, but so maybe in the future we'll have to do a Part 2.
01:08:48 Penny Guilford
Right.
01:08:50 Natashia Mack
Oh yeah. But I would love before we hop off. I would love if you can.
01:08:56 Natashia Mack
Share two things. So one.
01:08:59 Natashia Mack
Is there just like a message on your heart?
01:09:02 Natashia Mack
It could be super random that you feel like someone needs to hear right now, or like, what would you say to the listeners right now?
01:09:10 Natashia Mack
And then two, I want you to share how.
01:09:12 Natashia Mack
Could.
01:09:12 Natashia Mack
You OK? OK.
01:09:15 Penny Guilford
So.
01:09:17 Speaker 3
This is kind of random, but I feel like someone listening needs to hear.
01:09:25 Speaker 3
You're gonna be given a lot of advice.
01:09:27 Speaker 3
It out the window.
01:09:29 Speaker 3
Do what works for you. Don't.
01:09:34 Speaker 3
Be burdened by other people's realities.
01:09:39 Natashia Mack
I love that.
01:09:41 Speaker 3
I don't know why that came through, but I feel like somebody needed.
01:09:43 Natashia Mack
But someone need to hear that absolutely.
01:09:47 Speaker 3
So you can find.
01:09:48 Speaker 3
I am on Instagram, mostly Facebook at Thepenny Guilford.
01:09:57 Speaker 3
I have a website pennyguilford.com.
01:10:00 Speaker 3
I try to do Instagram.
01:10:01 Speaker 3
I'm not always the best at it.
01:10:05 Penny Guilford
Like I have to schedule.
01:10:05 Natashia Mack
Sure, they're great.
01:10:07 Penny Guilford
Well, I have to schedule time or else.
01:10:09 Speaker 3
I'm just not going to do it.
01:10:12 Speaker 3
I like doing it when I.
01:10:13 Speaker 3
It it's just I need to get on.
01:10:17 Speaker 3
Lee, I'm on.
01:10:18 Speaker 3
I'll have to share funny memes and reels so ioffer, you know, mediumship readings, Oracle card reading.
01:10:28 Speaker 3
It's my sessions are like a mix of Oracle cards and mediumship.
01:10:34 Speaker 3
Just the.
01:10:35 Speaker 3
I work, it just works for me.
01:10:38
But yeah.
01:10:40 Natashia Mack
And you're on YouTube, aren't you?
01:10:40
That's.
01:10:42 Speaker 3
I am on YouTube, yes.
01:10:45 Speaker 3
Monthly spirit messages, so I am on YouTube.
01:10:47 Speaker 3
Look up medium Penny G Penny, Guilford.
01:10:51 Speaker 3
I should pop up.
01:10:52 Natashia Mack
OK.
01:10:54 Natashia Mack
That's awesome.
01:10:54 Speaker 3
I don't.
01:10:55 Speaker 3
I don't have Tiktok or anything like that, so it's just YouTube, Facebook, Instagram.
01:11:02 Natashia Mack
Perfect. And I'll make sure to add those links in the I think it's called show notes.
01:11:08 Natashia Mack
Yeah. So I'll add those in there. So people can find you.
01:11:11 Natashia Mack
Follow her, she.
01:11:13 Natashia Mack
A lot of funny memes, and I love it so much.
01:11:17 Natashia Mack
And.
01:11:19 Natashia Mack
What's the other thing?
01:11:22 Natashia Mack
Oh yes, and thank you for sharing about your services. And like, I love that you use Oracle cards with your mediumship sessions.
01:11:29 Natashia Mack
You know what they
01:11:30 Natashia Mack
There's a medium out there for everyone.
01:11:33 Natashia Mack
Like, not just one medium out there for everyone, but there is one out there for everyone and I think it's so beautiful. How?
01:11:41 Natashia Mack
Every medium is so unique because that's what that's what the people need.
01:11:47 Natashia Mack
And there are people who are in need of exactly what you have to offer.
01:11:50 Natashia Mack
I love that so much.
01:11:53 Natashia Mack
Thank you, Penny, for being on here with me and sharing some awesome stories.
01:11:59 Natashia Mack
Some some spooky some, you know, raise the hairs on your arms.
01:12:03 Natashia Mack
I love it so.
01:12:04 Natashia Mack
And yeah, thank you to my listeners for.
01:12:11 Natashia Mack
Listening along with us, I hope it felt like you were having a, you know, a friend date with us and definitely go reach out to Penny. If you are interested in.
01:12:22 Natashia Mack
Getting to know her.
01:12:23 Natashia Mack
Getting to know her services and give her follow, all right.
01:12:29 Natashia Mack
Bye guys.
